Outlandish Offseason Predictions

[durtymrclean]

Stanton makes $500k a year, Marlins should be contracted if they trade him.

 

[Thumb]

Stanton makes $500k a year, Marlins should be contracted if they trade him.

What difference does it make what he makes? It's about what they can get for him. If they can get 2-3 quality prospects, plus a couple average ML players it's still a gain for them.

 

[durtymrclean]

What difference does it make what he makes? It's about what they can get for him. If they can get 2-3 quality prospects, plus a couple average ML players it's still a gain for them.

So the marlins would take on more salary for inferior players?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Probably matters a little bit. It was prob. easier for Florida to trade Miguel because at the time he was making over 11m.

 

[Rebbiv]

It's not just the bat, but also the base running he adds. Another OF Tigers could trade from Dbacks are Kubel or Parra. Kubel would be an upgraded Delmon and Parra would be an upgraded Berry.

Runs Created (RC/650) takes into account stolen bases (and caught stealing).

Kubel is worse than Delmon in the field.

Last 3 years OF RC/150

Parra 14.1
Bourn 11.9
Stanton 8.8
Suzuki 7.9
Swisher 4.7
Victorino 4.1
J. Upton 3.7
T. Hunter 3.4

Pagan 0.5
Hamilton 0.3
C. Ross 0.0

Dirks -9.3
D. Young -9.5
Kubel -10.5
Ibanez -10.6
Boesch -10.7
Quentin -18.6


Parra Career

Home = .804 OPS

Away = .671 OPS


All they players you are mentioning are better overall than Delmon Young, but they DO NOT offer any value. Kubel is the only one to offer average to above average offense on the road. And he doesn't need to be in the outfield. Upton and Parra have benefited from a hitter friendly home park. Not sure Parra is any better than Berry.


If we are trading players or signing free agents, we need to be cost conscious. We need to go for value. I do not see the value in the players you have mentioned.

 

[Thumb]

So the marlins would take on more salary for inferior players?

1 guys does not win games. Florida could trade him and get enough pieces to make a more complete team and compete for the NLE, that's worth spending a little more dough.

I don;t see how that's so hard to follow.

 

[durtymrclean]

1 guys does not win games. Florida could trade him and get enough pieces to make a more complete team and compete for the NLE, that's worth spending a little more dough.

I don;t see how that's so hard to follow.

Then just sign FA if that's the case. Stanton makes less or equal to a lot of top prospects so it would be a lateral move at best if they moved him now.

 

[Mitchrapp]

1 guys does not win games. Florida could trade him and get enough pieces to make a more complete team and compete for the NLE, that's worth spending a little more dough.

I don;t see how that's so hard to follow.

Its Florida. There best bet is to keep on Spending, win a title and strip their team. At some point Stanton will be traded, just not sure about now.

 

[Thumb]

Then just sign FA if that's the case. Stanton makes less or equal to a lot of top prospects so it would be a lateral move at best if they moved him now.

Yet that would be spending money and negate the savings of having Stanton.

The only players in MLB who don't get traded because of salary are the highest paid ones, now the lowest.

For the right deal, Florida would trade Stanton, they're not going to give him away, but he's nowhere near untouchable.

That said, I doubt the Tigers have enough to land him.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yet that would be spending money and negate the savings of having Stanton.

The only players in MLB who don't get traded because of salary are the highest paid ones, now the lowest.

For the right deal, Florida would trade Stanton, they're not going to give him away, but he's nowhere near untouchable.

That said, I doubt the Tigers have enough to land him.

Having a guy that produces like a $20M a year player while only making about $500K makes him about as untouchable as they come. The Marlins won't consider trading him until he starts making big bucks.

 

[Thumb]

Again Tom, the 1 player theory.

Why am I not surprised.

 

[tomdalton22]

Again Tom, the 1 player theory.

Why am I not surprised.

Because you have proven that you don't understand the business side of baseball. Would the Tigers ever entertain trading a guy like Stanton for a bunch of minor league prospects.....of course not. To have a successful team you NEED to have some low payroll guys that produce. Guys like Stanton and Trout are as UNTOUCHABLE as they come because they are great and don't cost much. That allows a team to use the amount of money that would normally be spent on that type of player to improve the rest of the roster.

 

[Thumb]

The business of baseball is to win, Tom.

I'm saying Stanton's salary is irrelevant to the big picture. Saying Florida won't or would be stupid to, trade him because of his low salary completely misses the point.

Stanton would fetch a kings ransom in a trade, netting a team like Florida several players which might help them win their division. The fact they would be adding payroll is irrelevant.

And you mentioned "a bunch of minor league prospects" those are your words, and yours alone. Nobody else in this conversation mentioned that, Stanton would go for far more then just prospects.

You once again, have not read the entire thread and have no idea what's going on, which was why I posted I was not surprised.

And as far as the notion you have to have some low payrolls guys to be successful....the Yankees called and said your so full of shit, they can smell you from the Bronx.

 

[tomdalton22]

The business of baseball is to win, Tom.

I'm saying Stanton's salary is irrelevant to the big picture. Saying Florida won't or would be stupid to, trade him because of his low salary completely misses the point.

Stanton would fetch a kings ransom in a trade, netting a team like Florida several players which might help them win their division. The fact they would be adding payroll is irrelevant.

And you mentioned "a bunch of minor league prospects" those are your words, and yours alone. Nobody else in this conversation mentioned that, Stanton would go for far more then just prospects.

You once again, have not read the entire thread and have no idea what's going on, which was why I posted I was not surprised.

And as far as the notion you have to have some low payrolls guys to be successful....the Yankees called and said your so full of shit, they can smell you from the Bronx.

The Yankees are in a league of their own....no other team can have that kind of payroll. Given their payroll over the past 10 years I would not call them a success winning only one WS. It doesn't matter.....I will be proven right in the end. There is no way Stanton gets traded until he starts making big money. There isn't a team in the league that would trade someone like that away while he is making $500K a year.