Pacers 125 Piston 88 Final

[biggunsbob]

Preview

http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401071194

Pistons
16-16 (5-8) Away.

Pacers
23-12 (12-5) Home.


All-Time
Pacers lead regular season
97-93.

Playoffs
3 playoffs series . Detroit leads 3-0.

2005 EC Semifinals. Pistons win 4-2.
2004 EC Finals. Pistons win 4-2.
1990 EC 1st Round. Pistons win 3-0.
Playoff games Detroit leads 11-4.

 

[biggunsbob]

Box score of this dud of a game .

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071194

 

[Mitchrapp]

Indiana has been good this season and Detroit not so much.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah. Pistons are a mess.

 

[biggunsbob]

Dwane Casey apologizes to fans for blowout loss.


https://www.detroitnews.com/videos/...asey-apologizes-fans-blowout-loss/2438161002/

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know we are missing some pieces but I thought Casey was the answer.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I know we are missing some pieces but I thought Casey was the answer.

I think coaching-wise he's done a really good job. The team is taking better shots than they ever have. The system is opening up the kind of juicy shots outside that ever team craves. The problem is that we have arguably the worst shooting team in the league. He can't take the threes for our guys, and he doesn't have a lot of options for improving the team. This is a the result of years of building a regressive-style team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think coaching-wise he's done a really good job. The team is taking better shots than they ever have. The system is opening up the kind of juicy shots outside that ever team craves. The problem is that we have arguably the worst shooting team in the league. He can't take the threes for our guys, and he doesn't have a lot of options for improving the team. This is a the result of years of building a regressive-style team.

The mistake he made was telling everyone we're going to shoot the 3 more but without the personnel to do it well enough.. Bottom line, we're not built for shooting 3's - that's on him.

He should have went to our strength, again that's on him. It might not seem like much but why has Drummond shot any 3's let alone 24 of them. Stanley Johnson is the worse one, he's never shot the 3 well just tell him to stop. What happened to the days when the good 3 point shooters were the only ones shooting them.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

The mistake he made was telling everyone we're going to shoot the 3 more but without the personnel to do it well enough.. Bottom line, we're not built for shooting 3's - that's on him.

He should have went to our strength, again that's on him. It might not seem like much but why has Drummond shot any 3's let alone 24 of them. Stanley Johnson is the worse one, he's never shot the 3 well just tell him to stop. What happened to the days when the good 3 point shooters were the only ones shooting them.

What is playing to our strength? Is it driving and dishing underneath to our bigs? We already do that. If that was the only thing we did, teams would stop guarding outside the paint. We would have no way of doing the one thing we are good at. We HAVE to take all those threes in order to stretch the defense, so that they aren't just packing the paint all game. Good offenses can't just do one thing. Defenses are too good for that.

There's always an argument to be made that we could lean more one way or another, but we also have to take into account how that will shift the way we are defended. The problem with our offense is the limitation of the players. Maybe we could be a bit more efficient, but there's probably a pretty hard ceiling there.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What is playing to our strength? Is it driving and dishing underneath to our bigs? We already do that. If that was the only thing we did, teams would stop guarding outside the paint. We would have no way of doing the one thing we are good at. We HAVE to take all those threes in order to stretch the defense, so that they aren't just packing the paint all game. Good offenses can't just do one thing. Defenses are too good for that.

There's always an argument to be made that we could lean more one way or another, but we also have to take into account how that will shift the way we are defended. The problem with our offense is the limitation of the players. Maybe we could be a bit more efficient, but there's probably a pretty hard ceiling there.

Better than shooting 27% or 16%. I'm not sure defenses are too good for that. You could say the opposite teams are always defending the 3 they won't be prepared to defend underneath. You can have a couple guys shoot the 3 but not all them.

If they have no range get closer.. Basketball 101. And outside a team or 2 defenses are getting worse. New coach is suppose to go with our strengths and get better not stay status quo. And as you said earlier, "He can't take the threes for our guys" And they're getting more open looks from outside "Juicy" because why cover them they can't shoot. That's Basketball 102.

 

[Mitchrapp]

One last thing they shoot the 4th most 3's in the league, dead last %. Indiana near the bottom in 3 attempts and yet their % is top 5 in the league. One team bad, the other very good.

 

[dubbsco]

This team is not built to do anything. They don't have the shooters to hit the threes. They don't have the big men to score down low (which, by the way is completely antiquated).

Top to bottom, the entire roster needs to be blown up. Jackson has to go, Drummond needs to be traded, Stanley/Leuer have no place. Griffin is a nice 2nd or 3rd option on a great team, but you cannot run a system through him.

Losing and getting a top 5-10 draft pick is imperative.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We've had enough picks like that. We need top 1 pick. I thought the trade for Blake was going to be big time but not so much anymore. We need a true PG. Shooting guard would be a big help as well.

 

[dubbsco]

It doesn't even have to be the overall pick, because that's not reasonable. This team is just good enough to not fall that far. But they need a top 5 pick, top 10 at worst. They need a game changer.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It doesn't even have to be the overall pick, because that's not reasonable. This team is just good enough to not fall that far. But they need a top 5 pick, top 10 at worst. They need a game changer.

How many 7-9 picks have been game changing picks for us over the years.. Stanley Johnson at 8, Pope at 8, Knight at 8, Monroe at 7, and Drummond at 9 (most successful). But mostly it's been a crap fest. How's our team doing with all those picks? We need a high pick.

 

[Mitchrapp]

End of the day, especially with the shitty East we'll be much lower.

 

[Mitchrapp]

1994 was the last year we had a game changing 1st round pick.

 

[dubbsco]

How many 7-9 picks have been game changing picks for us over the years.. Stanley Johnson at 8, Pope at 8, Knight at 8, Monroe at 7, and Drummond at 9 (most successful). But mostly it's been a crap fest. How's our team doing with all those picks? We need a high pick.

You are spinning that narrative all wrong. That is a product of GMs making horrible picks, not where they are. You can go through any draft, and find guys that are making ridiculous amounts of impact picked between 5-15.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You are spinning that narrative all wrong. That is a product of GMs making horrible picks, not where they are. You can go through any draft, and find guys that are making ridiculous amounts of impact picked between 5-15.

Sure but we still have the same GM.

 

[dubbsco]

Sure but we still have the same GM.

Not anymore, I don't even know who the hell the GM is.

Same owner? Yeah. And he's a clown. He could be worse than the Fords.