Pacers 125 Piston 88 Final

[Mitchrapp]

Jeff Bower, since 2014. I had to google that.

 

[dubbsco]

Bower's not the GM. Stefanski is in there as an interim.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hadn't realized he was gone.

 

[dubbsco]

Hahah exactly. That is why this team is where they are.

 

[tomdalton22]

You are spinning that narrative all wrong. That is a product of GMs making horrible picks, not where they are. You can go through any draft, and find guys that are making ridiculous amounts of impact picked between 5-15.

but every year there are usually only 1 or 2 guys out of 11 (between 5-15) that make an impact. Who's to say the GM's that picked the "game changers" didn't get those guys by pure luck?

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

but every year there are usually only 1 or 2 guys out of 11 (between 5-15) that make an impact. Who's to say the GM's that picked the "game changers" didn't get those guys by pure luck?

To some degree, it IS luck. Even the #1 pick can flame out. But, it does seem that certain GMs/teams are better than others. Dumars, for example, was actually a pretty good drafter. His problems were that he was a terrible trader and poorly evaluated veterans. SVG (who was actually in charge, regardless who played GM) was a bad drafter.

The fact that certain GMs/teams can more consistently find useful players in the draft while other consistently blow it (Sacramento) says there's probably more to it than just luck. I can't say if our GM by next summer will be on the good or bad side of that coin, but it's not just a flip.

 

[dubbsco]

To some degree, it IS luck. Even the #1 pick can flame out. But, it does seem that certain GMs/teams are better than others. Dumars, for example, was actually a pretty good drafter. His problems were that he was a terrible trader and poorly evaluated veterans. SVG (who was actually in charge, regardless who played GM) was a bad drafter.

The fact that certain GMs/teams can more consistently find useful players in the draft while other consistently blow it (Sacramento) says there's probably more to it than just luck. I can't say if our GM by next summer will be on the good or bad side of that coin, but it's not just a flip.

I like most of this, but Dumars was a horrible drafter.
2000- Mateen
2001- Rodney White, Okur
2002- Tayshaun (first decent pick)
2003- Darko, Delfino
2004- Ricky Paulding
2005- Maxiell, Amir Johnson
2006- Will Blalock
2007- Stuckey, Afflalo
2008- DJ White
2009- Austin Daye
2010- Greg Monroe
2011- Brandon Knight
2012- Drummond
2013- KCP

So, as I typed those out, he is even worse than I remember.