Penalties

[Michchamp]

Somebody shared something from Reddit.


Did not read comments but thought i?d Pass this along

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/9k6ypc/week_5_complain_about_your_team_thread/e6wto8t/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DocZinhXsAMkCVI.jpg

Yeah, That's crazy. it's a statistical anomaly. Like there's a difference of 1 or 2 between every team on that chart, until you get to us, and then the number is basically off the chart.

Am curious what the calls were like against Don Brown's defenses at BC.

Like is there some bias against defenses blitzing that much, or is this a bias against us for some reason?

 

[Michchamp]

Big 10 officiating is either completely corrupt or completely incompetent. There's no other explanation.

We need some alum/booster with too much money to Hire a good PI to (discretely) poke around.

find out where the refs go out for drinks after, and buy them a couple rounds.

see what dirt you can dig up on them.

The question then is, what if you find something?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Somebody shared something from Reddit.


Did not read comments but thought i’d Pass this along

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/9k6ypc/week_5_complain_about_your_team_thread/e6wto8t/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DocZinhXsAMkCVI.jpg

This seems like something that requires an explanation.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

You could say that, but I don't really think that is the point. The question isn't whether every single call is legit or not. All of us have admitted that some of the penalties are legit. Some of them are not, though AND the refs are not calling the games equally. Northwestern had 2 penalties called. Are they really that much more disciplined that Michigan? Well, no, because we all saw them holding and grabbing on a lot of plays. The refs just weren't calling things equally.

Those running backs on fake hand-offs that get tackled should be more disciplined than to hold the person that is tackling them...

The important thing is that the penalties are not being called in a balanced way within the same game. So, I don't think it is incompetence. More likely a bias against one team over the other.

 

[Michlady]

Refs often eat at the common grill Friday evening (early). Away from town

 

[biggunsbob]

There is a Bias and it has been really going like the since the O$U game in Columbus when Barrett was stopped short of the Line. I am flabbergasted at how bad the officiating has been in some games. The refs in that game in Columbus were flat out Bias towards one team that day. I just want equal calls both ways if they are going to be bad. My gosh Higdon was tackled !!!!! I just do not understand how Gary can't get a call.

 

[thewolverines24]

There is a Bias and it has been really going like the since the O$U game in Columbus when Barrett was stopped short of the Line. I am flabbergasted at how bad the officiating has been in some games. The refs in that game in Columbus were flat out Bias towards one team that day. I just want equal calls both ways if they are going to be bad. My gosh Higdon was tackled !!!!! I just do not understand how Gary can't get a call.

Everyone with a brain knows that game wasn't called even remotely close to correctly. I watched the game with about 10 Wisconsin fans and they were pissed about the officiating the entire game. Even some Illinois fans around us got really sick of the shitty officiating.

Only OSU, and probably MSU, fans thought that game was called correctly.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

There is a Bias and it has been really going like the since the O$U game in Columbus when Barrett was stopped short of the Line. I am flabbergasted at how bad the officiating has been in some games. The refs in that game in Columbus were flat out Bias towards one team that day. I just want equal calls both ways if they are going to be bad. My gosh Higdon was tackled !!!!! I just do not understand how Gary can't get a call.

This! The tackling of Higdon wasn't just a bad call. There is no way that was holding on Higdon. No honest official could call that holding on Higdon. It was not just an error on the part of the official. And if it was meant to be a holding on NW, which is what it was, why didn't the official that made the call correct it? It is ridiculous to claim AFTER the game to say, it was supposed to be called on NW. There should be consequences for these types of errors on the part of the officials.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We're lucky that call didn't cost us the game.

 

[biggunsbob]

I am just unsure what it is . Because the data on how Michigan’s supposedly great defense can’t get a holding call is real. They can’t get a call.. We all know it can be called on every play. We just want calls to Consistent. I still do not understand the holding call on Higdon. It was a huge play . Michigan would have been 1st 10 at the wildcat 40 yard line with 13ish left in the game down 17-13. What is it ?

1. Bias against Michigan ?
2. Bias against Harbaugh ?
3. Corrupt officials or just bad officials I should say.
4. Trying to level the playing field in talent gap games so games don’t get out of hand .
Tv ratings are a big deal and the Big Ten like a lot of conferences have a lot of blow outs and Michigan was a -14.5 point favorite at Northwestern.

I want to know what that offfical saw ? Because the defensive player tackled a higdon.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I am just unsure what it is . Because the data on how Michigan?s supposedly great defense can?t get a holding call is real. They can?t get a call.. We all know it can be called on every play. We just want calls to Consistent. I still do not understand the holding call on Higdon. It was a huge play . Michigan would have been 1st 10 at the wildcat 40 yard line with 13ish left in the game down 17-13. What is it ?

1. Bias against Michigan ?
2. Bias against Harbaugh ?
3. Corrupt officials or just bad officials I should say.
4. Trying to level the playing field in talent gap games so games don?t get out of hand .
Tv ratings are a big deal and the Big Ten like a lot of conferences have a lot of blow outs and Michigan was a -14.5 point favorite at Northwestern.

I want to know what that offfical saw ? Because the defensive player tackled a higdon.

The trend predates Harbaugh. And Bama has it worse than we do (holding every 260 plays instead of 160 plays), but if it was just leveling the playing fields, why doesn't it impact OSU?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I genuinely don't know and am temped to attribute it to random chance. If you dig up 10,000 stats, you might run into one that's a 1 in 10,000 random outlier. But Bama being far and away worse than everyone including Michigan makes it feel like there's some cause here.

 

[thewolverines24]

With Bama getting it even worse, it appears that you get punished for having a great d-line. Awesome.

 

[biggunsbob]

The trend predates Harbaugh. And Bama has it worse than we do (holding every 260 plays instead of 160 plays), but if it was just leveling the playing fields, why doesn't it impact OSU?

Ok that is good to know. Unfortunately Bama appears to overcome all these no calls while Michigan’s players do not. Hopefully that trend flips soon.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here's where the Bama number is from. It's a couple years old. I think it was an MGoBlog post. The dot at the top is Bama.
edit: from last year. Data covers 2012-2017.

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/offensive-holding-b1g-and-beyond-part-deux