Peralta

[michiganalex]

Anyone who says PEDs don't help hit HRs see Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. End of argument!

barry bonds already had an awesome swing before he started using. while PEDs help they are not guarantees off homers. PEralta for example

 

[tomdalton22]

barry bonds already had an awesome swing before he started using. while PEDs help they are not guarantees off homers. PEralta for example

you believe that PED's didn't help those guys hit HRs?


Sammy Sosa from 1998-2003 averaged 58 HRs a year.
Mark McGuire's last 4 years in MLB averaged 49 HRs a year.
Barry Bond's 4 year stretch from age 36-39 averaged 52 HRs a year.

Must have been poor pitching and baseballs wound too tight!

 

[Mitchrapp]

No doubt. So Barry was good early in his career and had a great swing. You don't hit 73 freakin' home runs at any age let alone late 30's without help.

 

[michiganalex]

no doubt mitch i'm just saying PEDS are not the only reason for homeruns. Tom's arguement is that PEDS are tHE ONLY REASON for homeruns . PEralta never hit a lot of homers. a good swings goes along with it

 

[tomdalton22]

no doubt mitch i'm just saying PEDS are not the only reason for homeruns. Tom's arguement is that PEDS are tHE ONLY REASON for homeruns . PEralta never hit a lot of homers. a good swings goes along with it

please show me where I said that PEDs are THE ONLY REASON for homeruns

 

[Mitchrapp]

I didn't see that either.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Peds help and they help a lot. And even more so someone can play more than they normally would. Instead of their body breaking down because they're tired from 15 years of baseball, peds makes them go out there day after day. And be able to lift weights day after day..

 

[michiganalex]

some do just last too though. rickey henderson comes to mind

 

[Thumb]

Anyone who says PEDs don't help hit HRs see Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. End of argument!

Who said this?

 

[michiganalex]

obviously the PEDS helped but i feel the swing helped too.

 

[Thumb]

please show me where I said that PEDs are THE ONLY REASON for homeruns

Please show me where anyone said they "don't help". Until then maybe you can climb down off your high horse.

 

[michiganalex]

Please show me where anyone said they "don't help". Until then maybe you can climb down off your high horse.

amen

 

[tomdalton22]

some do just last too though. rickey henderson comes to mind

many believe that he used as well.

 

[tomdalton22]

Please show me where anyone said they "don't help". Until then maybe you can climb down off your high horse.

so we all agree that they help

 

[michiganalex]

many believe that he used as well.

who is many??? where is your proof

 

[michiganalex]

again speaking from for the supposed majority as usual

 

[tomdalton22]

who is many??? where is your proof

google it.

And I said believe....you don't need proof to believe something. Proof is needed when you state for a fact that they did use.

 

[tomdalton22]

again speaking from for the supposed majority as usual

your ignorance is funny. Many does not mean majority.

 

[Mitchrapp]

obviously the PEDS helped but i feel the swing helped too.

Have you ever seen a player with a sweet swing and didn't do a thing? Or someone who had a Barkley swing and was terrific..? Vlad. Guerrero comes to mind.

 

[Thumb]

so we all agree that they help

They obviously contribute, I don;t think anyone anywhere ever said they didn't. The issue was whether or not every time a player has an above average season is it the result of PED's?

And a 1 year aberration does not support the theory of PED use.