Pittsburgh police to carry riot gear in case Mueller is fired, protests expected

[tinselwolverine]

If Trump is hit with something, it will probably be obstruction of justice. I don't think collusion is actually a legal thing. If it was, we'd already know there was collusion with a British company.

I'm pretty sure collusion is a legal term in the enforcement of anti-trust law. That's generally civil law, I think though.

The guy Russell Crowe played in A Beautiful Mind came up with collusion economic models the FTC would use in anti-trust lawsuits.

 

[Gulo Blue]

And yet collusion was the basis for the appointment of Special Counsel. Do you understand that? The whole thing was a travesty from the get go.

How would you know whether or not it's a travesty? The details are not yet public. You (and I, and everyone else) don't know what decisions were made based on what information. We do know 6 Americans have been charged with crimes and 4 of them have pleaded guilty. That's reason enough to at least be suspicious that there was reason to launch the probe.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm pretty sure collusion is a legal term in the enforcement of anti-trust law. That's generally civil law, I think though.

The guy Russell Crowe played in A Beautiful Mind came up with collusion economic models the FTC would use in anti-trust lawsuits.

That could be. The last time this came up, I posted a video where someone called it a 'term of art' that everyone's saying rather than a legal term, but then she admitted it may be a legal term that exists as a definition of some other charge.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/what-is-the-legal-definition-of-collusion/

 

[Spartanmack]

Not even disproportionately? You think there's some principle of racism, sexism, and bigotry where it is evenly distributed across race, creed, and gender? You might be more of a believer in equality than I am.

I may be. I think the difference is a function of the fact that I don't conflate racism with racial discrimination. It's certainly possible that a race can be disproportionately racist, but I don' think that true of white people in general nor is there any evidence to support that. But racism and discrimination are two separate things. I think a race can be disproportionately discriminatory without being disproportionately racist. A lot of people don't make that distinction.

Edit: I'm not saying white people or any other ethnic group definitely is disproportionately discriminatory - as you probably know, I don't believe that's the case when it comes to the criminal justice system.

 

[jwlcosu]

How would you know whether or not it's a travesty? The details are not yet public. You (and I, and everyone else) don't know what decisions were made based on what information. We do know 6 Americans have been charged with crimes and 4 of them have pleaded guilty. That's reason enough to at least be suspicious that there was reason to launch the probe.

There is plenty of information out now and more becomes available every day. The supposed good guys at DOJ and FBI are looking dirtier by the day. Criminal referrals are in the offing.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...inspector-general-issues-criminal-referral-of

 

[tinselwolverine]

There is plenty of information out now and more becomes available every day. The supposed good guys at DOJ and FBI are looking dirtier by the day. Criminal referrals are in the offing.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...inspector-general-issues-criminal-referral-of

Supposed good guys by whom?

They're all filthy.

This shit show was inevitable following the recent presidential election, regardless of who had won.

 

[Gulo Blue]

There is plenty of information out now and more becomes available every day. The supposed good guys at DOJ and FBI are looking dirtier by the day. Criminal referrals are in the offing.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...inspector-general-issues-criminal-referral-of

Does this information somehow explain away the 4 guilty pleas?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Supposed good guys by whom?

They're all filthy.

This shit show was inevitable following the recent presidential election, regardless of who had won.

It's a shame that lawsuit against the DNC was dropped. It may have been the correct legal result, but that shady business need to be reformed.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Does this information somehow explain away the 4 guilty pleas?

Just because someone is paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get them.

I don't know that FBI and the DOJ are being "weaponized" against Trump - if they are, it's just as likely that the so called Republican establishment are in cahoots in it with Democrats as not - but even if the case, that doesn't mean Trump isn't guilty of something.

 

[jwlcosu]

Does this information somehow explain away the 4 guilty pleas?

You?re going to have to stay tuned for that. The pleas have to do with lying to the FBI and sentencing has been delayed. Meanwhile the FBI honchos are proving to be serial liars. Might be a connection there.

And after more that twelve months of investigation can you site a shred of evidence of Trump collusion with the Russians? Don?t feel bad, no one can.

Lastly, you managed to avoid the fact that collusion was the basis for the appointment of Special Counsel. Its a travesty.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You?re going to have to stay tuned for that. The pleas have to do with lying to the FBI and sentencing has been delayed. Meanwhile the FBI honchos are proving to be serial liars. Might be a connection there.

And after more that twelve months of investigation can you site a shred of evidence of Trump collusion with the Russians? Don?t feel bad, no one can.

Lastly, you managed to avoid the fact that collusion was the basis for the appointment of Special Counsel. Its a travesty.

My guess is, after all is said and done, they're going to at least nail Scooter Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice.

 

[jwlcosu]

My guess is, after all is said and done, they're going to at least nail Scooter Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice.

Pardon me?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Lastly, you managed to avoid the fact that collusion was the basis for the appointment of Special Counsel. Its a travesty.

What about my post about collusion? That should count.

 

[jwlcosu]

Supposed good guys by whom?

They're all filthy.

God, in whom I don't believe, I hope not. But it sure looks that way. When you no longer trust the FBI and DOJ, its a sad day. Maybe you were there before me. Maybe I was late getting there. But I'm there.

 

[jwlcosu]

Supposed good guys by whom?

They're all filthy.

This shit show was inevitable following the recent presidential election, regardless of who had won.

Disagree about shit show being inevitable regardless of who won. That’s actually the point of the matter. Hillary was thought to have been a shoe-in. That’s why the creeps at DOJ and FBI felt enabled to do any damn thing they wanted to Trump campaign. Had Hillary won, it would have all gone away. Its a swamp thing.

 

[jwlcosu]

What about my post about collusion? That should count.

I stand corrected. Yes, you did post about collusion. What did you say? Something about it not being really a thing? Like a legal thing? Brilliant.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Pardon me?

I said MY GUESS IS, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO AT LEAST NAIL SCOOTER LIBBY FOR PERJURY AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Disagree about shit show being inevitable regardless of who won. That?s actually the point of the matter. Hillary was thought to have been a shoe-in. That?s why the creeps at DOJ and FBI felt enabled to do any damn thing they wanted to Trump campaign. Had Hillary won, it would have all gone away. Its a swamp thing.

Forget the FBI and the DOJ; they're toothless against POTUS.

You really think the Republican Congress would not have been all up into her shit?

 

[Michchamp]

For DECADES the FBI and DOJ have trampled all over the Constitutional rights of activists on the left (labor, environmental, racial/civil rights, and civil liberaties) without concern. COINTELPRO and all their other activities were so shocking to moderate Republicans and liberal Americans, they were investigated for them and subject to all sorts of new safeguards at the time.

Not a fucking peep from the Future "Reagan Right" about it... they share too much in common with police state/facist fantasies to care.

...but now that they've turned their investigative powers on a Republican president - even in the pussy-footed way they've been doing for over a year now - the "righteous outrage" from GOP/the Right is at fever pitch.

There was a quote about the modern day GOP that rings true to me: when the club is in their hands, no one is more sadistic; when the club is taken away, no one is whinier. >

 

[Gulo Blue]

Wasn't Karl Rove 'the Architect' with the grand plan to politicize everything?