Pittsburgh police to carry riot gear in case Mueller is fired, protests expected

[Michchamp]

Disagree about shit show being inevitable regardless of who won. That?s actually the point of the matter. Hillary was thought to have been a shoe-in. That?s why the creeps at DOJ and FBI felt enabled to do any damn thing they wanted to Trump campaign. Had Hillary won, it would have all gone away. Its a swamp thing.

dude, do you even remember like a week before the election Comey was publicly dumping on Clinton?

WTF are you talking about? Trump got a HUGE pass from everyone in law enforcement. He's been a sleazy scumbag for decades. most of his deals were partially or totally financed with Mob money. In Atlantic City he was openly dealing with the Mob to get permits and money to build.

You think the FBI didn't know all this? They could've buried his campaign a LONG time ago if they really wanted to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I thought there was talk about rebooting the Clinton email investigation.

edit: Probably just talk

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/...en-clinton-email-probe-due-evidence-espionage

 

[tinselwolverine]

I thought there was talk about rebooting the Clinton email investigation.

edit: Probably just talk

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/...en-clinton-email-probe-due-evidence-espionage

It is just talk.

Napolitano has no authority or power at all. He hasn't been a judge for over 20 years. He's just another talking head.

That said - and of course, this is just speculation and conjecture - I have little doubt that the current Congress of the United States would have moved for the appointment of a special prosecutor to re-open that investigation, along with investigating the DNC Russian server hacks, and even Clinton's complicity in the collusion by the DNC against Bernie Sanders if they could figure out angle to do that, had Clinton won the election.

It would have been same shit, different circus.

 

[jwlcosu]

Forget the FBI and the DOJ; they're toothless against POTUS.

You really think the Republican Congress would not have been all up into her shit?

Agree, Congress would have been in her shit. That's the state of politics in the shithole that is Washington. But the DOJ and FBI are supposed to play it straight. They're supposed to be non-political in the way they carry out their jobs. They were weaponized big time against Trump.

Another poster just said something about Comey dumping on Hillary shortly before the election. Guess what, he did it because he was convinced she was going to win regardless. The POS admitted it on his lousy book tour. So the action he took was actually part of the whole swamp operation to keep the bitch clean.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/come...-factor-email-investigation/story?id=54467459

 

[tinselwolverine]

Agree, Congress would have been in her shit. That's the state of politics in the shithole that is Washington. But the DOJ and FBI are supposed to play it straight. They're supposed to be non-political in the way they carry out their jobs. They were weaponized big time against Trump.

Again - I go back to "politicized and weaponized" against Trump by...whom?

Who is in power to do that?

Is Trump weaponizing his own Executive Branch of Government against himself?

He's every one of their boss.

The Republican Establishment?

The Fake News media?

Or are they politicizing and weaponizing themselves?

I'd actually like you to answer whom you think is "weaponizing" the FBI and the DOJ against Trump.

Because it sure ain't the Clintons, or Comey or liberals or Democrats - they currently don't have the power to weaponize their own limp dicks.

Nobody has any "weapon" against a president except for the Congress.

 

[jwlcosu]

Again - I go back to "politicized and weaponized" against Trump by...whom?

Who is in power to do that?

Is Trump weaponizing his own Executive Branch of Government against himself?

He's every one of their boss.

The Republican Establishment?

The Fake News media?

Or are they politicizing and weaponizing themselves?

I'd actually like you to answer whom you think is "weaponizing" the FBI and the DOJ against Trump.

Because it sure ain't the Clintons, or Comey or liberals or Democrats - they currently don't have the power to weaponize their own limp dicks.

Nobody has any "weapon" against a president except for the Congress.

It was done during the campaign by the previous administration. That's Loretta Lynch at DOJ and Comey, McCabe, Strzok and others at FBI. The bullshit Steele dossier? That was all pre-election crap brought to the American people by the DNC and a politicized DOJ and FBI. Spying on American citizens and wiretapping the campaign and campaign operatives also brought to you by a politicized bunch of hacks.

 

[jwlcosu]

Nobody has any "weapon" against a president except for the Congress.

You're forgetting Special Counsel. Brought to you by James Comey and Rod Rosenstein.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It was done during the campaign by the previous administration. That's Loretta Lynch at DOJ and Comey, McCabe, Strzok and others at FBI. The bullshit Steele dossier? That was all pre-election crap brought to the American people by the DNC and a politicized DOJ and FBI. Spying on American citizens and wiretapping the campaign and campaign operatives also brought to you by a politicized bunch of hacks.

It goes without saying, any administration at a given time has the power to weaponize its own Executive Branch of government bureaus, agencies etc.

You've made posts critical about the FBI and the DOJ over the last twelve months, obviously, Donald Trump is in power.

So who has been weaponizing the FBI and the DOJ against Trump?

 

[jwlcosu]

It goes without saying, any administration at a given time has the power to weaponize its own Executive Branch of government bureaus, agencies etc.

You've made posts critical about the FBI and the DOJ over the last twelve months, obviously, Donald Trump is in power.

So who has been weaponizing the FBI and the DOJ against Trump?

Seriously, Tinsel, it was done pre-election by the players I named and it's gone on from then until now. It takes a long-ass time to drain the swamp and this is what it looks like.

I already said on another thread if I'm wrong about this I'll admit it and walk away from the board, which ain't much fun anymore anyway. But I don't think I am. We'll see.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You're forgetting Special Counsel. Brought to you by James Comey and Rod Rosenstein.

I'm not forgetting anything.

Special Counsel can't do shit to the president.

Can Special Counsel charge a president with a crime?

No.

Can Special Counsel arrest a president?

No.

Trump can fire the Special Counsel anytime he wants to.

Trump has the power; Special Counsel is fuck all.

Trump hired the Deputy Attorney General, and he can fire the Deputy Attorney General anytime he wants to.

The next Deputy Attorney General Trump hires, if that one appoints another Special Counsel, Trump can just keep firing until he finds somebody who won't fuck with him.

Beyond that - what good would Trump's Deputy Attorney General do for himself by weaponizing Bureaus and Agencies of the president's own executive branch against the president himself?

It is a notion that is beyond ludicrous.

And Comey - he's just a private citizen jack off trying to sell a book now - he doesn't have any power.

If were to give you any unsolicited advice it would be this - stop reading so many of those right wing rags you read - and if you don't know that I advise liberals on this board to stop reading their left wing rags, you don't pay much attention to my posts - and read something it appears you might not know that much about - in fact, you can click the following, and read it right here on line - The Constitution.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Seriously, Tinsel, it was done pre-election by the players I named and it's gone on from then until now. It takes a long-ass time to drain the swamp and this is what it looks like.

I already said on another thread if I'm wrong about this I'll admit it and walk away from the board, which ain't much fun anymore anyway. But I don't think I am. We'll see.

All those players are out of power.

None of them have meant jack shit since Trump took the oath of office.

Nothing has gone on from them until now.

 

[jwlcosu]

All those players are out of power.

None of them have meant jack shit since Trump took the oath of office.

Nothing has gone on from them until now.

We disagree. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will admit it. We'll know in time.

 

[tinselwolverine]

We disagree. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will admit it. We'll know in time.

We disagree about what, and you're going to be wrong about what?

Your opinion that the investigation is going to yield fuck all, or at least nowhere near enough to motivate the Congress to impeach and remove Trump?

If that's what you're talking about, we don't disagree at all - I 99.9% believe that Trump isn't going to be impeached and removed by the Congress.

It seemed to me that you had been claiming the FBI has been continued to be "politicized and weaponized" since Trump has been in power; maybe I misunderstood what you meant; although you kind of implied that Trump's own Deputy Attorney General was currently behind that; again, maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

There is nobody since Trump took office who has the power politicize nor weaponize any bureau or agency of the Trump's Executive Branch against Trump.

EDIT: Remember, with this thing, as with everything else, Trump has been all over the place - writing love letters in the morning then sharpening his knives in the afternoon.

I remember hearing clips of Trump saying "I welcome the investigation. I'm looking forward to talking to Mueller."

Who knows what Trump was thinking when Rosenstein told him he was assigning a special prosecutor? Maybe Trump was fine with it - for all anybody who doesn't know knows, Rosenstein did at Trump's own direction - maybe Trump thought at the time the optics would be good.

It seems to me that Rosenstein is being used as a talking point for people who want to insist Trump's own FBI has been being "politicized and weaponized" against Trump since Trump came into power.

 

[jwlcosu]

It seems to me that Rosenstein is being used as a talking point for people who want to insist Trump's own FBI has been being "politicized and weaponized" against Trump since Trump came into power.

I don't know anyone saying that. Doesn't make any sense at all. Trump's AG recused himself. Rosenstein is a holdover. Comey got fired and may now be in legal jeopardy for leaking classified information. The shit that has gone on since before the election and which continues to this day in the form of a Special Prosecutor was put in motion during the campaign and in the days post-election but pre-inauguration.

What I'm saying and what I could be wrong about is that it is more likely that DOJ and FBI officials participated in illegal activity during the campaign than did Trump. And the activity was intended to frame, discredit and eventually serve the purpose of removing him from office. I think this will come out.

I don't think Trump has committed an impeachable offense. I also don't think that is going to stop the democrat party from trying to impeach him after the mid-terms. Who needs a crime? And what is the crime? Collusion? That was the basis for which the Special Counsel was appointed. There is no evidence of collusion. If there was it would have leaked months ago.

I suspect we disagree on most if not all of this.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't know anyone saying that. Doesn't make any sense at all. Trump's AG recused himself. Rosenstein is a holdover. Comey got fired and may now be in legal jeopardy for leaking classified information. The shit that has gone on since before the election and which continues to this day in the form of a Special Prosecutor was put in motion during the campaign and in the days post-election but pre-inauguration.

What I'm saying and what I could be wrong about is that it is more likely that DOJ and FBI officials participated in illegal activity during the campaign than did Trump. And the activity was intended to frame, discredit and eventually serve the purpose of removing him from office. I think this will come out.

I don't think Trump has committed an impeachable offense. I also don't think that is going to stop the democrat party from trying to impeach him after the mid-terms. Who needs a crime? And what is the crime? Collusion? That was the basis for which the Special Counsel was appointed. There is no evidence of collusion. If there was it would have leaked months ago.

I suspect we disagree on most if not all of this.

I think we agree little or nothing will come of all this.

If Clinton had won, the Congress would be investigating your the electioneering you're claiming the previous administration had been involved with.

And if the Dems take back the House, a purely political impeachment would be futile.

There wouldn't be the votes in the Senate to remove Trump.

 

[jwlcosu]

I think we agree little or nothing will come of all this.

If this is true...

What I'm saying and what I could be wrong about is that it is more likely that DOJ and FBI officials participated in illegal activity during the campaign than did Trump. And the activity was intended to frame, discredit and eventually serve the purpose of removing him from office. I think this will come out.​

...there has to be hell to pay. Because that's a banana republic. Maybe we're there.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Now, this is weaponization.

These are people with power to do something talking about doing it.

This is weaponization, too.

Obviously, the threat of impeachment applies here.

Nobody can weaponize anything they don't have the ability to weaponize.

 

[jwlcosu]

Now, this is weaponization.

These are people with power to do something talking about doing it.

This is weaponization, too.

Obviously, the threat of impeachment applies here.

Nobody can weaponize anything they don't have the ability to weaponize.

Drain that swamp. Do you have any idea how many months the DOJ pukes have been stonewalling the committee? The docs should have been turned over months ago. Had they been, threats and subpoenas wouldn?t be necessary. The scumbags aren't going down without a fight. This is what draining the swamp looks like.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Drain that swamp. Do you have any idea how many months the DOJ pukes have been stonewalling the committee? The docs should have been turned over months ago. Had they been, threats and subpoenas wouldn?t be necessary. The scumbags aren't going down without a fight. This is what draining the swamp looks like.

I guess we can blame the committee for letting them get away with that - what the fuck else is the duly elected committee's job?

Here's a bold prediction.


Before Wednesday, Rosenstein - like Monday - calls Mueller into his office for a debriefing.

Virtually immediately after, Rosenstein calls a press conference to announce that, based on the lack of findings of any explicit wrongdoings heretofore, the investigation is being terminated indefinitely.

Through back channels - or maybe not; maybe the president himself - the White House contacts the eleven Republican Congressmen and asks them to back off their demands for the criminal referral of Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, et al might even go so far as to remind everyone that Trump has the presidential authority to pardon each and every one of them.

And then everybody just takes their own ball and goes home, and gets ready for the mid-term election.

It would be the smart play for the president, and as much as I don't like him, the guy didn't get to where he is by not being able to read the smart play.

 

[jwlcosu]

I guess we can blame the committee for letting them get away with that - what the fuck else is the duly elected committee's job?

Here's a bold prediction.


Before Wednesday, Rosenstein - like Monday - calls Mueller into his office for a debriefing.

Virtually immediately after, Rosenstein calls a press conference to announce that, based on the lack of findings of any explicit wrongdoings heretofore, the investigation is being terminated indefinitely.

Through back channels - or maybe not; maybe the president himself - the White House contacts the eleven Republican Congressmen and asks them to back off their demands for the criminal referral of Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, et al might even go so far as to remind everyone that Trump has the presidential authority to pardon each and every one of them.

And then everybody just takes their own ball and goes home, and gets ready for the mid-term election.

It would be the smart play for the president, and as much as I don't like him, the guy didn't get to where he is by not being able to read the smart play.

I like bold predictions. It's going to be damn difficult, however, to put this sausage back in the casing. It's pretty much blood sport now. Blutwurst, if you will.