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So you're blaming a QB, who doesn't run that well btw, for being sacked by probably one of the more explosive DEs in the game? Wake consistently beats OLinemen all day. Your hatred for Stafford has taken you to a new level of stupidity ....lol.

You know, this is the strangest part about Stafford....

When he arrived at Georgia as a freshman, his legs were 80% of his game. My wife is a Bulldogs fan, and I sort of am too.. not a fan so much, but I will watch them any time. I saw close to all of his games that season, and he was a runner. Extremely mobile.

But his coaches wanted him to become a pocket passer, and they molded him into one. Sure enough, he stopped scrambling as much, didn't break off and run, and became that pocket passer.

But he was as mobile as a Tebow or a Manziel that first season. You would think that while they have taught him to stand tall in the pocket, his natural instincts would still allow him to extend plays with his legs... and he just doesn't do that any more.

He might be the most fitting example of the argument of nature vs. nurture... he was a natural runner who was taught to not run. Mind boggling to me.

 

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I haven't been able to agree with mhughes often of late, but he's made a couple of good arguments in this thread.

First, that sack by Cameron Wake was 100% on Stafford. He broke out of his protection and took off, and tried to out-motor a guy like Wake. It was a dumb decision in multiple ways.

Second, Staffords stats do show a decline in his play this year. Could be a lot of factors, including his O-line not protecting him, adjusting to not having Calvin, and piss poor play calling by Lombardi, but at least some of that is on Stafford as well.

If he's going to be in the talks for an upper-tier to elite QB by us or the media, or even himself, he's got to elevate his game in the face of adversity, because that is what elite level players do that others don't.

 

[brewer229]

You know, this is the strangest part about Stafford....

When he arrived at Georgia as a freshman, his legs were 80% of his game. My wife is a Bulldogs fan, and I sort of am too.. not a fan so much, but I will watch them any time. I saw close to all of his games that season, and he was a runner. Extremely mobile.

But his coaches wanted him to become a pocket passer, and they molded him into one. Sure enough, he stopped scrambling as much, didn't break off and run, and became that pocket passer.

But he was as mobile as a Tebow or a Manziel that first season. You would think that while they have taught him to stand tall in the pocket, his natural instincts would still allow him to extend plays with his legs... and he just doesn't do that any more.

He might be the most fitting example of the argument of nature vs. nurture... he was a natural runner who was taught to not run. Mind boggling to me.

I think he could be mobile like an Andrew Luck/Aaron Rodgers type mobility, that is valuable. Perhaps being hit his first few years made him a bit gunshy, but he doesn't seem to have the same awareness/pocket presence level as Luck/Rodgers.

That and I'm guessing in High School he may of been one of the faster/bigger guys out there, that changed one in College and especially in the NFL. Sort of a need to change thing to stay healthy.

 

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I think he could be mobile like an Andrew Luck/Aaron Rodgers type mobility, that is valuable. Perhaps being hit his first few years made him a bit gunshy, but he doesn't seem to have the same awareness/pocket presence level as Luck/Rodgers.

That and I'm guessing in High School he may of been one of the faster/bigger guys out there, that changed one in College and especially in the NFL. Sort of a need to change thing to stay healthy.

He was done being mobile by the end of his sophomore year of college. They managed to coach his legs right out of him.

But I am telling you man, he was fast and nimble back in the day, like you would be shocked to see now. He could not only run, but he could break ankles of defenders and leave linebackers laying face down in the grass with no shoes on.

It's amazing to me how as he transitioned into a pocket passer, he just lost his ability to run. He's still fast (sort of) when he decides to break one, but no cuts, no moves, plow ahead until the slide.

It's like he's not even the same person, and his college coaches did that intentionally.

 

[mhughes0021]

ink popped a couple pain killers and watched a texas a&m/Alabama game on espn classic...thought it was Georgia

in all seriousness though....that freshman 15 really takes a toll on your quickness....and he put on like a freshman 30. Hes just not that fast anymore. I actually think he does a good job of trying to make plays with his arm if at all possible instead of trying to bail. But as brewer said....hes just not that great at navigating within the pocket. Even slow guys do a better job than him at staying composed, slide step or moving up in the pocket to buy time.....he really struggles with it and usually when he does it his eyes are no longer down field. Typically, hes frantically penguin footing around looking at nothing but where hes going to escape. He looked better at it the first couple games this year....I think we all saw a noticeable difference in the giants game. But recently he has struggled.

 

[brewer229]

The Giants game Stafford looked great. That gave me hope to start of the year.

He had great movement in the pocket, he had great mechanics, nice footwork, consistent throwing motion, it was an elite level of play. I thought he had turned the corner.

As the weeks have gone on he's been going back to his normal self, a bit panicky, multiple throw angles, throwing off of back foot.

If we could get 90% of what Stafford was on Monday on a consistent basis I would expect us to take a deep run into the playoffs.