Prince resigned for 4 years 27 million

[Mitchrapp]

Prince hasn't played elite defense in years. He's also NEVER been a scoring threat because he is so passive. Look, I'll admit that he's better than Daye or Jerebko, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Signing Tay is a bold attempt at maintaining lower-middle class status in the NBA. We'll be just good enough to miss the top players in the draft, but just bad enough to lose fans and not be relevant.

Signings are all about timing, Mitch. At this time, Prince does not help us be a better team long term, and the short term is already shot. This team NEEDS to bottom out. And while Prince isn't great, it's just more dead money 2-4 years from now - right when hopefully we are fitting pieces around a new core.

We have two choices at this point (since no one has emerged as a star yet). 1) We bottom out - sell off veterans, keep salary low, get high draft picks and develop them without overpaid veterans eating their minutes. 2) We continue barely treading water - keep signing decent but not very good veterans, lock in long term contracts on backup, and be the new Charlotte Bobcats.

In today's NBA, those are the ONLY two choices for teams not located in NY, LA, or Boston.

Wow, today's NBA must suck, lol.

 

[dannydiggler]

Mitch[/color]]

Prince hasn't played elite defense in years. He's also NEVER been a scoring threat because he is so passive. Look, I'll admit that he's better than Daye or Jerebko, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Signing Tay is a bold attempt at maintaining lower-middle class status in the NBA. We'll be just good enough to miss the top players in the draft, but just bad enough to lose fans and not be relevant.

Signings are all about timing, Mitch. At this time, Prince does not help us be a better team long term, and the short term is already shot. This team NEEDS to bottom out. And while Prince isn't great, it's just more dead money 2-4 years from now - right when hopefully we are fitting pieces around a new core.

We have two choices at this point (since no one has emerged as a star yet). 1) We bottom out - sell off veterans, keep salary low, get high draft picks and develop them without overpaid veterans eating their minutes. 2) We continue barely treading water - keep signing decent but not very good veterans, lock in long term contracts on backup, and be the new Charlotte Bobcats.

In today's NBA, those are the ONLY two choices for teams not located in NY, LA, or Boston.

Wow, today's NBA must suck, lol.

I'll watch the Pistons 10-15 times a year and thats it. I fucking hate the NBA. NCAA gives me all I need.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Mitch[/color]]

Prince hasn't played elite defense in years. He's also NEVER been a scoring threat because he is so passive. Look, I'll admit that he's better than Daye or Jerebko, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Signing Tay is a bold attempt at maintaining lower-middle class status in the NBA. We'll be just good enough to miss the top players in the draft, but just bad enough to lose fans and not be relevant.

Signings are all about timing, Mitch. At this time, Prince does not help us be a better team long term, and the short term is already shot. This team NEEDS to bottom out. And while Prince isn't great, it's just more dead money 2-4 years from now - right when hopefully we are fitting pieces around a new core.

We have two choices at this point (since no one has emerged as a star yet). 1) We bottom out - sell off veterans, keep salary low, get high draft picks and develop them without overpaid veterans eating their minutes. 2) We continue barely treading water - keep signing decent but not very good veterans, lock in long term contracts on backup, and be the new Charlotte Bobcats.

In today's NBA, those are the ONLY two choices for teams not located in NY, LA, or Boston.

Wow, today's NBA must suck, lol.

For a Piston fan, it does. But the NBA doesn't suck because of that model anymore than it does for other sports. The NBA is just a bit more stark in how a team rebuilds. Individual players are so much more important to team success that your team is literally screwed without stars. And there are only two ways to get stars - draft them or sign them. What makes the deal so stark is that limits on salary size force fringe benefits to being all-important in FA decisions. The best of the best can sign anywhere for the same exact money, so they only want to sign in LA, NY, or Boston.

That means for all those other teams, they can only get stars through the draft and attempting to retain them by building an agreeable environment around them. No stars want to go to live in or near Detroit on purpose. It's that simple. So, unless the team doesn't care about competing, they need to get a star in the draft (tank).

The overall product of the NBA is still the best it's been since MJ, though. Because the vast, vast majority of fans don't care if Detroit sucks, or if Charlotte is a waste of a team. They care about the teams that are happy without parity - the LAs, Bostons, NYs, and whatever other cities are hot at the time (Miami, OKC). Parity does not make for good sports. If every team could really beat every other team, and it started happening all the time (true parity), it would be boring. No one would feel particularly invested, because the outcomes would all be random.

 

[tigers99888]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

Prince is only above average and is beyond 30 and is on his way on a downside, just like RIP.. Should have let him walk and fielded a young team so you can tank and get a high draft pick.. It's the only legit way to rebuild..Sorry but dumbfuck move..

The only reason Rip went downhill so fast was because of Billups' departure. Rip thrives off of a point guard play... Stuckey is not a point guard. Prince is the only one on this roster that can play defense. Plus he's long and can get his own shot backing smaller sf's down with his gangly body.

Tayshaun is a point forward that needs the ball in his hands,.. He will only stunt any growth Knight and Monroe needed, therefore he is a liability for the younger players..

 

[tigers99888]

BestIsBest[/color]]
[quote="Danny Diggler":v8e74mtl]

And have Daye playing 40 minutes at the 3 with no backup? Brilliant! Daye is so good to begin with.

Do you not understand how to tank? And its called you go sign another SF for a year. Hell, I would of much rather of signed Shannon Brown for a year at 3 mil.

2004 is in the past bud.[/quote:v8e74mtl] +1 It's obvious he doesn't watch how the NBA operates..

 

[dannydiggler]

BestIsBest[/color]]

Do you not understand how to tank? And its called you go sign another SF for a year. Hell, I would of much rather of signed Shannon Brown for a year at 3 mil.

2004 is in the past bud.

+1 It's obvious he doesn't watch how the NBA operates..

Leaving all your faith to ping pong balls... That's how the NBA works?

 

[dannydiggler]

Danny Diggler[/color]]


The only reason Rip went downhill so fast was because of Billups' departure. Rip thrives off of a point guard play... Stuckey is not a point guard. Prince is the only one on this roster that can play defense. Plus he's long and can get his own shot backing smaller sf's down with his gangly body.

Tayshaun is a point forward that needs the ball in his hands,.. He will only stunt any growth Knight and Monroe needed, therefore he is a liability for the younger players..

Lord knows from 2002-2006 Tayshaun was getting 20 shots a game.. Come on now.

 

[lionsFTW]

Prince hasn't played elite defense in years. He's also NEVER been a scoring threat because he is so passive. Look, I'll admit that he's better than Daye or Jerebko, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Signing Tay is a bold attempt at maintaining lower-middle class status in the NBA. We'll be just good enough to miss the top players in the draft, but just bad enough to lose fans and not be relevant.

Signings are all about timing, Mitch. At this time, Prince does not help us be a better team long term, and the short term is already shot. This team NEEDS to bottom out. And while Prince isn't great, it's just more dead money 2-4 years from now - right when hopefully we are fitting pieces around a new core.

We have two choices at this point (since no one has emerged as a star yet). 1) We bottom out - sell off veterans, keep salary low, get high draft picks and develop them without overpaid veterans eating their minutes. 2) We continue barely treading water - keep signing decent but not very good veterans, lock in long term contracts on backup, and be the new Charlotte Bobcats.

In today's NBA, those are the ONLY two choices for teams not located in NY, LA, or Boston.

Unfortunately this post is spot on. Should have blown it up the second we realized the Buillips/AI trade wasn't going to work.

Now were looking at another two/three years of picking somewhere between 5/12, acquiring solid career role players instead of the top talents unless we run spectacularly well and luckbox a top 3 in the lottery.

 

[bestisbest]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

+1 It's obvious he doesn't watch how the NBA operates..

Leaving all your faith to ping pong balls... That's how the NBA works?

The true, sad answer?
Yes.

This league is built around stars, the only way we will ever get back to predominance is tanking and getting a star.

 

[dannydiggler]

BestIsBest[/color]]
[quote="Danny Diggler":krx3v28w]

Leaving all your faith to ping pong balls... That's how the NBA works?

The true, sad answer?
Yes.

This league is built around stars, the only way we will ever get back to predominance is tanking and getting a star. [/quote:krx3v28w]

Like the last time the Pistons won the ship? Prince was the only starter drafted...

 

[lionsFTW]

But look at where they were drafted and the argument still holds water. Chauncy 3rd, Sheed 4th, Rip 7th. These guys were high draft picks that teams gave up on too early for whatever reason. Ben was a true diamond in the rough that we were EXTREMELY lucky to find. Tay was the 23rd pick overall and the glue that held them together.

Plus outside of last years Mavs team there hasn't been an NBA champion built like we were in, well, since at least the 80's! We were the exception, not the rule...

 

[tigers99888]

BestIsBest[/color]]
[quote="Danny Diggler":yq4sfojh]

Leaving all your faith to ping pong balls... That's how the NBA works?

The true, sad answer?
Yes.

This league is built around stars, the only way we will ever get back to predominance is tanking and getting a star. [/quote:yq4sfojh] Looks what it did for OKC.. Seriously dude... THat's how you rebuild.. Free agents won't flock here..

 

[tigers99888]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

Tayshaun is a point forward that needs the ball in his hands,.. He will only stunt any growth Knight and Monroe needed, therefore he is a liability for the younger players..

Lord knows from 2002-2006 Tayshaun was getting 20 shots a game.. Come on now.

DO you even know wtf you're talking about? Prince was top 3 in minutes, shots and held the ball more than anyone aside from Stuckey.. Seriously, dude you think he's going to become a support player for this team? LOL!!!

 

[bestisbest]

Danny Diggler[/color]]
[quote="BestIsBest":eovnex0w]


The true, sad answer?
Yes.

This league is built around stars, the only way we will ever get back to predominance is tanking and getting a star.

Like the last time the Pistons won the ship? Prince was the only starter drafted...[/quote:eovnex0w]

You cant win like that any more anyway.
The era of a good starting 5 winning a championship is over. You NEED a star. As sad as it is. Im taking it your not to knowledgeable about the NBA.

 

[tigers99888]

BestIsBest[/color]]
[quote="Danny Diggler":b10wxj4y]

Like the last time the Pistons won the ship? Prince was the only starter drafted...

You cant win like that any more anyway.
The era of a good starting 5 winning a championship is over. You NEED a star. As sad as it is. Im taking it your not to knowledgeable about the NBA.[/quote:b10wxj4y] Living in 2004 IMO>. All fine and dandy.. I wish it was 2004 as well.. Or the 90s.. THe NBA sucks dick now..

 

[dannydiggler]

Chauncey was considered a bust and was a FA that nobody else wanted. Rip was traded to the Pistons for Hubert Davis and Bobby Simmons, Big L O L. And Sheed had so much baggage he was traded twice that season, and traded to us for Bobby Sura, Z and the 32nd overall pick.

So why the fuck does it matter where they were drafted? Did the teams that drafted them that high win jack shit?? Washington had sheed and Rip at 3rd and 7th. They should have held on to them and won the ship the year Rip was drafted..

How many teams have won through the draft? A couple nice pieces through the draft and adding missing pieces through trades and FA. Dumars is holding onto assets and is buying low and going to sell them high.

 

[dannydiggler]

BestIsBest[/color]]

You cant win like that any more anyway.
The era of a good starting 5 winning a championship is over. You NEED a star. As sad as it is. Im taking it your not to knowledgeable about the NBA.

Living in 2004 IMO>. All fine and dandy.. I wish it was 2004 as well.. Or the 90s.. THe NBA sucks dick now..

So why not cut Gordon CV and Rip and eat the money to tank? Theres a 40% chance they get the #1 overall pick...

 

[tigers99888]

Danny Diggler[/color]]Chauncey was considered a bust and was a FA that nobody else wanted. Rip was traded to the Pistons for Hubert Davis and Bobby Simmons, Big L O L. And Sheed had so much baggage he was traded twice that season, and traded to us for Bobby Sura, Z and the 32nd overall pick.

So why the fuck does it matter where they were drafted? Did the teams that drafted them that high win jack shit?? Washington had sheed and Rip at 3rd and 7th. They should have held on to them and won the ship the year Rip was drafted..

How many teams have won through the draft? A couple nice pieces through the draft and adding missing pieces through trades and FA. Dumars is holding onto assets and is buying low and going to sell them high.

That shit doesn't happen anymore and I don't know if you have noticed, but Prince's defense has majory declined the last 4 years.. He's above average at best, which is fine.. I would have accepted a 1 year deal possibly for unloading purposes, but 4 years is a goddamn joke.. And it's a given this isn't a sign and trade deal..

 

[bestisbest]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

Living in 2004 IMO>. All fine and dandy.. I wish it was 2004 as well.. Or the 90s.. THe NBA sucks dick now..

So why not cut Gordon CV and Rip and eat the money to tank? Theres a 40% chance they get the #1 overall pick...

Not that simple.

 

[tigers99888]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

Living in 2004 IMO>. All fine and dandy.. I wish it was 2004 as well.. Or the 90s.. THe NBA sucks dick now..

So why not cut Gordon CV and Rip and eat the money to tank? Theres a 40% chance they get the #1 overall pick...

You can't do that.. Too much money you haev to eat in order to do that.. The Pistons are not the Yankees dude.. You have to trade for similar contracts or Amnesty them...