Pure Instanity IMO 9/4

[hellifino]

If he has "25 gold gloves," then he's also a proven hitter as well as a leatherman, based on the way that players are selected.

lol just a figure of speech, but you are right.

 

[papacrick]

I'd like to see Miggy Jr. in the lineup rather than any of our broken-down has beens. We know what some of these veterans provide and it's not much. I wanna see the talented, hungry rookie get some more chances under this kind of pressure. Didn't look fazed in his other opportunities.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'd like to see Miggy Jr. in the lineup rather than any of our broken-down has beens. We know what some of these veterans provide and it's not much. I wanna see the talented, hungry rookie get some more chances under this kind of pressure. Didn't look fazed in his other opportunities.

He is no Miggy Jr. I might call him DY jr. In the minors he only had 18 BB this year compared to 95K.

 

[Slick]

Don Kelly playing last night absolutly blew my ****ing mind.....I could careless what the apologists on here say..it was ****ing pathetic.

 

[spockmaster]

He is no Miggy Jr. I might call him DY jr. In the minors he only had 18 BB this year compared to 95K.

thats the hallmark of a tigers prospect.

Don Kelly playing last night absolutly blew my ****ing mind.....I could careless what the apologists on here say..it was ****ing pathetic.

it was inexcusable in the middle of a penant race, especially to hit him 6th. and if ANYONE needed a day off from the field, it was cabrera who is still nursing his ankle...not fielder.

 

[Thumb]

it isn't Prince not playing 1st, it's one more easy ****ing out in the lineup, why not play Beast at 1st for a game and put Santiago or somebody that resembles a hitter at 3rd.Kelly shouldn't ever be in a MLB uniform regardless if he has 25 gold gloves in every position.

Because Cabrera is our 3rd Baseman, not our 1st Baseman when Prince is not there.

And the problem was not Kelly playing 1st, or being in the lineup, it was batting him 6th.

 

[hellifino]

Because Cabrera is our 3rd Baseman, not our 1st Baseman when Prince is not there.

And the problem was not Kelly playing 1st, or being in the lineup, it was batting him 6th.

that too! lol

 

[byco42]

Factor in that Delmon does not hit Joe Smith or Pestano well, will he be begging Smokes to pinch hit for him late in the game?

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...rs-blame-Tigers-Leyland-parting-might-horizon
Anemic hitters are to blame, but Tigers-Leyland parting might be on horizon.
from the detnews

http://patcaputo.blogspot.com/2012/0...m-leyland.html
On Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland, his rant and his goofy recent lineups.
from the Oakland Press

good reads on Leyland.

 

[spockmaster]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...rs-blame-Tigers-Leyland-parting-might-horizon
Anemic hitters are to blame, but Tigers-Leyland parting might be on horizon.
from the detnews

http://patcaputo.blogspot.com/2012/0...m-leyland.html
On Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland, his rant and his goofy recent lineups.
from the Oakland Press

good reads on Leyland.

i think im having an aneurysm, i found myself mostly agreeing with a henning article...

 

[tigermud]

Henning is right that we'd not be happy with another manager either, we could certainly do worse than Leyland no doubt about that. Maybe it's time to start pointing the finger at DD for assembling a team full of inpatient free swinging all or nothing double and HR guys that can't manufacture a run to save their lives when needed.

Damn shame to cuz we've got the pitching to win it all IMO

 

[kalinecountry]

i think im having an aneurysm, i found myself mostly agreeing with a henning article...

yeah Spock, I just commented on twitter,
good one by henning, but he reminds me of a politician, what he says has a short shelf life, he flip flops every 1-2 months.

 

[tomdalton22]

Henning is right that we'd not be happy with another manager either, we could certainly do worse than Leyland no doubt about that. Maybe it's time to start pointing the finger at DD for assembling a team full of inpatient free swinging all or nothing double and HR guys that can't manufacture a run to save their lives when needed.

Damn shame to cuz we've got the pitching to win it all IMO

I agree that DD is much more responsible for the team than Leyland yet it seems like nobody puts any blame on DD.

 

[kalinecountry]

Henning is right that we'd not be happy with another manager either, we could certainly do worse than Leyland no doubt about that. Maybe it's time to start pointing the finger at DD for assembling a team full of inpatient free swinging all or nothing double and HR guys that can't manufacture a run to save their lives when needed.

Damn shame to cuz we've got the pitching to win it all IMO

Well TM if they don't win, most Tigers fans will want both their heads on a stick,
I agree about the assemblage of talent....non talent to go with the best hitter in baseball, a top 10 hitter in baseball, the best pitcher in baseball, an up and coming star and GG defender in center, and a couple more starting pitchers and players that have played very well.
Problem is the rest of them are scrubs and below replacement level stiffs.

 

[spockmaster]

Henning is right that we'd not be happy with another manager either, we could certainly do worse than Leyland no doubt about that. Maybe it's time to start pointing the finger at DD for assembling a team full of inpatient free swinging all or nothing double and HR guys that can't manufacture a run to save their lives when needed.

Damn shame to cuz we've got the pitching to win it all IMO

i honestly think that if we dont make the playoffs, both leyland AND DD should go, but especially DD. his drafting and team buliding philosophy has royally ****ed us over...he is pretty good at stocking us with pitching, but that is ALL he stocks us with. the offensive prospects we get, seemingly as a rule, have to be shitty on defense and know only how to strike out and hit the occasional homer. very little OBP skills, little defense, little speed (which isnt super necessary...unless your entire team is slow to the point where hitting into double plays is expected). and the problem we get with the pitchers he gets us is that almost all of them are power-arm, high risk high reward guys who nearly all have serious command problems. his philosophy got us verlander, but it has also given us players like crosby and oliver who have no idea where the strike zone is and are wallowing at AAA and have lost even their trade value.

leyland should go just because its time...he's getting kookier and while we really wouldnt be happy with any manager, leyland is starting to make more indefensible decisions like playing kelly and he's getting testier with fans as well, which is never a good sign in detroit.

 

[tigermud]

Well TM if they don't win, most Tigers fans will want both their heads on a stick,
I agree about the assemblage of talent....non talent to go with the best hitter in baseball, a top 10 hitter in baseball, the best pitcher in baseball, an up and coming star and GG defender in center, and a couple more starting pitchers and players that have played very well.
Problem is the rest of them are scrubs and below replacement level stiffs.

And to think they tried getting rid of some of those scrubs this year as well and it still hasn't helped as much as needed. sad..

 

[Thumb]

I agree that DD is much more responsible for the team than Leyland yet it seems like nobody puts any blame on DD.

The problem with this team was underachievement.

DD had us a good team on paper. And everyone agreed with him. The only real weak spot was going to be 2B.

But then we got shit from Boesch, Young, bigger then expected drop-offs from Peralta, Santiago, and Avila. Inge and Raburn were flat out disgusting. Coke fell apart. Schlereth forgot to tell anyone he was hurt.

People second guessing shit at this point is laughable. The blame belongs mostly on the players. Management gets some of the blame, especially for not doing something about 2B and DH for so long, but at the end of it all it comes down to our players just not doing their jobs at times.

 

[spockmaster]

The problem with this team was underachievement.

DD had us a good team on paper. And everyone agreed with him. The only real weak spot was going to be 2B.

But then we got shit from Boesch, Young, bigger then expected drop-offs from Peralta, Santiago, and Avila. Inge and Raburn were flat out disgusting. Coke fell apart. Schlereth forgot to tell anyone he was hurt.

People second guessing shit at this point is laughable. The blame belongs mostly on the players. Management gets some of the blame, especially for not doing something about 2B and DH for so long, but at the end of it all it comes down to our players just not doing their jobs at times.

i think we counted too much on our role players repeating their career years and it was a mistake to expect anything from young or boesch, really. plus awful defense was acknowledged as a problem that became a HUGE problem when certain players also produced nothing on offense. it was a good team on paper, but for that paper team to succeed for real everything had to go right again and almost nothing did. players we were counting on to be consistent had no track record of ever being consistent, which was a huge mistake on everyone's part, including all of us regarding our expectations for the season. we should have listened to our doubts about them all but we ignored them.

 

[tomdalton22]

The problem with this team was underachievement.

DD had us a good team on paper. And everyone agreed with him. The only real weak spot was going to be 2B.

But then we got shit from Boesch, Young, bigger then expected drop-offs from Peralta, Santiago, and Avila. Inge and Raburn were flat out disgusting. Coke fell apart. Schlereth forgot to tell anyone he was hurt.

People second guessing shit at this point is laughable. The blame belongs mostly on the players. Management gets some of the blame, especially for not doing something about 2B and DH for so long, but at the end of it all it comes down to our players just not doing their jobs at times.

I think everyone knew that DH, 2B were going to be weak. Everybody knew that this team was going to be bad defensively. I think most knew that BB and DY are below average corner OF. We should have expected a drop off from JP since he had a career year at his age. I didn't see Avila being this bad but I also didn't see A Jax having such a great year. EVERYBODY knew that Inge and Raburn are terrible. This team was not put together very well and the result is inconsistent play.

 

[spockmaster]

i think all along that the plan was they hoped that even with the glaring flaws we could scrape enough wins by to win a weak division and hope to get hot in the playoffs and ride our pitching (which was going to be pretty good regardless) to a WS victory. half our lineup was just WAY worse than expected and the shitsox have somehow been better than expected (probably because players actually feel like playing for someone who isnt an asshole lol).