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[Mitchrapp]

Me too. Trading down is always nice but not always easy.

 

[mhughes0021]

What kind of a pick do you think we'd get for moving back from 10 to 15? A 4th rounder?

id hope for a 3rd rounder....but that's cutting it close. Id even take a 3rd rounder next year over another 4th rounder this year to be honest. The whole idea is to add value though....a lot of the names we tossed out on other threads are great players....just not the best value at 10. So if at 15 you can get a lot of those same guys and still add a pick down the line somewhere....I think its a good thing.

 

[thehippo73]

I took a stab at one. No trades. Have fun with it.

1 Houston Jadeveon Clowney, DE South Carolina
2 St. Louis Greg Robinson, OT Auburn
3 Jacksonville Khalil Mack, OLB Buffalo
4 Cleveland Johnny Manziel, QB Texas A&M
5 Oakland Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson
6 Atlanta Jake Mathews, OT Texas A&M
7 Tampa Bay Mike Evans, WR Texas A&M
8 Minnesota Blake Bortles, QB Central Florida
9 Buffalo Taylor Lewan, OT Michigan
10 Detroit Justin Gilbert, CB Oklahoma State
11 Tennessee Anthony Barr, OLB UCLA
12 NY Giants Zack Martin, OT Notre Dame
13 St. Louis Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S Alabama
14 Chicago Aaron Donald, DT Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Darqueze Dennard, CB Michigan State
16 Dallas Timmy Jernigan, DT Florida State
17 Baltimore Calvin Pryor, FS Louisville
18 NY Jets Eric Ebron, TE North Carolina
19 Miami CJ Moseley, ILB Alabama
20 Arizona Ryan Shazier, OLB Ohio State
21 Green Bay Jimmie Ward, S Northern Illinois
22 Philly Kyle Fuller, CB Virginia Tech
23 Kansas City Brandin Cooks,WR Oregon State
24 Cincinnati Bradley Roby, CB Ohio State
25 San Diego Louis Nix, NT Notre Dame
26 Cleveland Odell Beckham, WR LSU
27 New Orleans Marqise Lee, WR USC
28 Carolina Kelvin Benjamin, WR Florida State
29 New England Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG UCLA
30 San Fran Jason Verrett, CB TCU
31 Denver Morgan Moses, OT Virginia
32 Seattle Davante Adams, WR Fresno State

 

[tomdalton22]

id hope for a 3rd rounder....but that's cutting it close. Id even take a 3rd rounder next year over another 4th rounder this year to be honest. The whole idea is to add value though....a lot of the names we tossed out on other threads are great players....just not the best value at 10. So if at 15 you can get a lot of those same guys and still add a pick down the line somewhere....I think its a good thing.

The smart thing to do is take a future pick...it usually bumps up at least a round but sometimes 2. That's how teams like NE and SF have all of these 2nd and 3rd round picks. They moved back in prior years and got better value in return by taking future 2nd and 3rd round picks. It might sting a little bit when you first start that strategy but once you start stock piling the picks it gives you a ton of options.

The Lions on the other hand...

 

[inkfreq]

The smart thing to do is take a future pick...it usually bumps up at least a round but sometimes 2. That's how teams like NE and SF have all of these 2nd and 3rd round picks. They moved back in prior years and got better value in return by taking future 2nd and 3rd round picks. It might sting a little bit when you first start that strategy but once you start stock piling the picks it gives you a ton of options.

The Lions on the other hand...

Stockpiling future picks pays big dividends often. Look at St. Louis this year. They have massive flexibility int he 1st round, and if they trade back again, they will still get two good players out of the first round, and likely multiple second round studs as well.

The problem is, the Lions are looking to win now. I still don't think Mayhew is on the hot seat, but he wants to field a winner this season. He feels the pressure to win. Future picks don't help him now.

He's going to close up some holes, draft some depth, but most importantly, he wants to add a LOT of talent right away. It's the reason he wants to trade up...a Clowney, a Watkins, a Mack... those are those blue chip guys that help move things in the right direction right away.

I wish we had been better at trading back and stockpiling the last few years, but regardless, we won't be starting the trend in '14.

 

[brewer229]

The smart thing to do is take a future pick...it usually bumps up at least a round but sometimes 2. That's how teams like NE and SF have all of these 2nd and 3rd round picks. They moved back in prior years and got better value in return by taking future 2nd and 3rd round picks. It might sting a little bit when you first start that strategy but once you start stock piling the picks it gives you a ton of options.

The Lions on the other hand...

Of course New England kinda sucks at drafting.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stockpiling future picks pays big dividends often. Look at St. Louis this year. They have massive flexibility int he 1st round, and if they trade back again, they will still get two good players out of the first round, and likely multiple second round studs as well.

The problem is, the Lions are looking to win now. I still don't think Mayhew is on the hot seat, but he wants to field a winner this season. He feels the pressure to win. Future picks don't help him now.

He's going to close up some holes, draft some depth, but most importantly, he wants to add a LOT of talent right away. It's the reason he wants to trade up...a Clowney, a Watkins, a Mack... those are those blue chip guys that help move things in the right direction right away.

I wish we had been better at trading back and stockpiling the last few years, but regardless, we won't be starting the trend in '14.

This was mayhews problem in the past though. I swear he sees things through LKP glasses and misjudges the talent and depth on the roster often. Theres WAYYYYYY too many holes on this roster, his team played WAYYYYYY to shitty last year and they have to learn WAYYYYYYY to much with a new O and D cord to think that its a win now situation. He doesn't learn from experience either. If I were him id be remembering how with ONNNEEEEEE little injury I would be seeing durham or carey back in my starting rotation. Those rd 2-6 picks should be seen as gold right now.....and hes potentially thinking about trading them away??? Ive seen this already from him....when he mismanaged the Best and Spievey injuries and we ended up starting Kevin Smith from off the streets and Wendling for multiple games. Its inexcusable for a GM to continuously misjudge the amount of talent on his team....then us board fans have to CONTINUOUSLY listen to LKP about how we should have won 12 games but that stubbed toe really did us in....

 

[LKP]

This was mayhews problem in the past though. I swear he sees things through LKP glasses and misjudges the talent and depth on the roster often. Theres WAYYYYYY too many holes on this roster, his team played WAYYYYYY to shitty last year and they have to learn WAYYYYYYY to much with a new O and D cord to think that its a win now situation. He doesn't learn from experience either. If I were him id be remembering how with ONNNEEEEEE little injury I would be seeing durham or carey back in my starting rotation. Those rd 2-6 picks should be seen as gold right now.....and hes potentially thinking about trading them away??? Ive seen this already from him....when he mismanaged the Best and Spievey injuries and we ended up starting Kevin Smith from off the streets and Wendling for multiple games. Its inexcusable for a GM to continuously misjudge the amount of talent on his team....then us board fans have to CONTINUOUSLY listen to LKP about how we should have won 12 games but that stubbed toe really did us in....

We were not one injury from Carey at nickel CB. That took one injury(Bentley) and Slay sucking at the time. Mathis should have been backup nickel to Bentley but Slay was benched. Giants game all the CBs were hurt. And at safety we have Isa Abdul Quddus who has some experience with the Saints. Carey is much better at safety than nickel. We'll see who wins the job there. I'll take experience over a rookie. Deonne Buchannon or Jimmy Ward aren't some savior. I think Ward has a foot injury problem too I believe.

And we are one injury away from Durham unless Ogletree beats him out or when we trade up we take a WR.

And really the coaching staff decides who plays. So them benching Slay and turning to Carey was not Mayhew's call.

 

[mhughes0021]

We were not one injury from Carey at nickel CB. That took one injury(Bentley) and Slay sucking at the time. Mathis should have been backup nickel to Bentley but Slay was benched. Giants game all the CBs were hurt. And at safety we have Isa Abdul Quddus who has some experience with the Saints. Carey is much better at safety than nickel. We'll see who wins the job there. I'll take experience over a rookie. Deonne Buchannon or Jimmy Ward aren't some savior. I think Ward has a foot injury problem too I believe.

And we are one injury away from Durham unless Ogletree beats him out or when we trade up we take a WR.

And really the coaching staff decides who plays. So them benching Slay and turning to Carey was not Mayhew's call.

I was talking about carey at safety. If ihedigbo or quin goes down....ur more than likely getting carey at safety. Maybe Isa Abdul....but either way....its hot garbage.

 

[LKP]

I was talking about carey at safety. If ihedigbo or quin goes down....ur more than likely getting carey at safety. Maybe Isa Abdul....but either way....its hot garbage.

Isa and Carey are better options than you think. We'll agree to disagree on that though I'm sure. You have a young developing DeJon Gomes too. I wouldn't put Buchannon or Ward or Joyner as slam dunk safety depth without experience. Talking Washington State and a Norther Illinois guy. The Florida State guy in Joyner you have some big game play at least.

Plus Quin/Ihedigbo are very durable as opposed to Delmas where you always had to worry about an injury.

And then I look at safety depth for the team everyone loses their mind over. San Fran Craig Dahl, Seattle ,Terrence Parks. At least Carey and IAQ have played and held their own.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lkp, can you bring Slick back for a few days?

 

[tonyballs]

Can't have great depth at every position all the time.