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[KAWDUP]

I like the idea that heaven and hell are simply your reaction to enlightenment. Whatever your life experience, religion, education, opportunity...a complete understanding of your role in the world could be either depending on how you reacted to your circumstances.

Take the possessive "your" out of it, and you are getting closer. It still must involve God and being judged in some way, no? How that judgement will occur, or what it will even involve is a mystery, but that is another of those things that can't be proven to exist or not exist.

BTW I would never try to take away the popular belief that you will see and be with all your loved pets and family members when you get to an afterlife, but I do find it hard to reconcile that with "state of being" rather than "place you go". But hey, that is why many very intelligent people decide to study philosophy.

Disclaimer:
Not including myself amonst the "very intelligent". More thinking of Descartes etc. I studied it, because it was great for getting chicks at parties (especially when you consider it was all I had - being a total geek and all).

:*)

 

[redandguilty]

you might like that idea, but your church doesn't. and if you tried preaching it 400 years ago, they'd burn you to death at the stake.

knucklehead.

My Church is full of rebels these days. They haven't given Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, or Colbert the boot, so I'm probably ok.

 

[redandguilty]

Take the possessive "your" out of it, and you are getting closer. It still must involve God and being judged in some way, no? How that judgement will occur, or what it will even involve is a mystery, but that is another of those things that can't be proven to exist or not exist.

BTW I would never try to take away the popular belief that you will see and be with all your loved pets and family members when you get to an afterlife, but I do find it hard to reconcile that with "state of being" rather than "place you go". But hey, that is why many very intelligent people decide to study philosophy.

Disclaimer:
Not including myself amonst the "very intelligent". More thinking of Descartes etc. I studied it, because it was great for getting chicks at parties (especially when you consider it was all I had - being a total geek and all).

:*)

I think the "your" is ok if you consider that enlightenment comes from God. It's your reaction to seeing yourself as God does.

 

[tinselwolverine]

My Church is full of rebels these days. They haven't given Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, or Colbert the boot, so I'm probably ok.

Plus Michael Moore; he's right there too.

 

[KAWDUP]

My Church is full of rebels these days. They haven't given Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, or Colbert the boot, so I'm probably ok.

LOL - It not so much blasphemy as it is making a leap of logic past a couple of very important steps :*)

 

[KAWDUP]

I think the "your" is ok if you consider that enlightenment comes from God. It's your reaction to seeing yourself as God does.

Well it is a reaction - there is much to be said about that reaction. Over-simplified - IMHO.

 

[redandguilty]

LOL - It not so much blasphemy as it is making a leap of logic past a couple of very important steps :*)

Well, I could probably bring up a few American nuns too. It helps to consider that I will never have the education they have or put in the amount of study they have, but I'm reading more than most people. As flawed as my understanding may be, I fall in between the cases of people that study less and study more and still raise questions and are accepted.

 

[redandguilty]

Well it is a reaction - there is much to be said about that reaction. Over-simplified - IMHO.

My engineering side loves simplicity. But an enlightened response to your own life would be anything but simple.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Me, I was just happy the day I got to quit wasting my time going to church.

Now, CATECHISM, on the other hand - Catechism was different.

In Catechism, I was able to hang out with the other Catholic guys from the other public schools around Ann Arbor who I played sports with and against, and except for having to spend a little time listening to the teacher go on about the Bible, and God and Moses and Jesus and Mary and that stuff, we would pretty much spend the whole class just hanging out talking about sports, both the about the teams we ourselves played on and the games with and against each other, and of course, Michigan sports and Detroit sports too.

So the teacher would say what the teacher would say, and then we'd break into groups and discuss what the teacher had talked about - except of course for the fact that we didn't.

So Catechism wasn't all that bad.

The pancake socials weren't so bad either, I guess.

Just Mass was pretty boring.

And Communion - sorry - it just seemed so unhygienic to me.

 

[redandguilty]

you might like that idea, but your church doesn't. and if you tried preaching it 400 years ago, they'd burn you to death at the stake.

knucklehead.

Note to self: do not use time machine to go back 400 year and discuss religion with Pope.

 

[KAWDUP]

Well, I could probably bring up a few American nuns too. It helps to consider that I will never have the education they have or put in the amount of study they have, but I'm reading more than most people. As flawed as my understanding may be, I fall in between the cases of people that study less and study more and still raise questions and are accepted.

"Flawed" is what philosophers throw around to mean, "the semantics of what you said didn't allow me to pontificate further in an effort to reach my conclusions instead of yours."

for the record, it wasn't flawed, just different, and may actually be more enlightened in its simplicity, just that it left too much of how God fits into it as implied.

But I always thought you were more of a humanist anyway. :*)

 

[KAWDUP]

Now, CATECHISM, on the other hand - Catechism was different.

In Catechism, I was able to hang out with the other Catholic guys from the other public schools around Ann Arbor who I played sports with and against, and except for having to spend a little time listening to the teacher go on about the Bible, and God and Moses and Jesus and Mary and that stuff, we would pretty much spend the whole class just hanging out talking about sports, both the about the teams we ourselves played on and the games with and against each other, and of course, Michigan sports and Detroit sports too.

So the teacher would say what the teacher would say, and then we'd break into groups and discuss what the teacher had talked about - except of course for the fact that we didn't.

So Catechism wasn't all that bad.

The pancake socials weren't so bad either, I guess.

Just Mass was pretty boring.

And Communion - sorry - it just seemed so unhygienic to me.

What you are saying is also not necessarily blasphemy - it just gives more deference to the secular aspect of it rather than the divine. It all has its place.

Question for you: Is it more important to be a good person (with all of the things "good" implies), or more important to be a good Christian? Are they mutually exclusive for you, or basically the same thing?

 

[Michchamp]

tinsel, you should found a religion. I bet it would be pretty popular. and given your laid-back philosophy, I can see it being less harmful than some of the real guilt-inducing aspects of catholicism, or the self-denial and exclusiveness of some of the others.

certainly, you are no less justified in doing so than any other founder of any other religion.

 

[cheeno]

tinsel, you should found a religion. I bet it would be pretty popular. and given your laid-back philosophy, I can see it being less harmful than some of the real guilt-inducing aspects of catholicism, or the self-denial and exclusiveness of some of the others.

certainly, you are no less justified in doing so than any other founder of any other religion.

Tinsel abides.

 

[redandguilty]

Plus Michael Moore; he's right there too.

Didn't know that. Guess I just saw the Spartan hat and assumed otherwise.
(That's a joke folks.)

 

[Michchamp]

Note to self: do not use time machine to go back 400 year and discuss religion with Pope.

or if you do so, make sure you can safely get back to said time machine in order to escape.

want me to come? I wonder what babes in the late renaissance period are like. I bet they smell bad.

we could go meet Galileo then too.

 

[redandguilty]

But I always thought you were more of a humanist anyway. :*)

If I tend towards a belief in a big tent, blame the Jesuits.

 

[KAWDUP]

If I tend towards a belief in a big tent, blame the Jesuits.

They are also my excuse. Hey . . . I see a pattern here.

 

[cheeno]

or if you do so, make sure you can safely get back to said time machine in order to escape.

want me to come? I wonder what babes in the late renaissance period are like. I bet they smell bad.

we could go meet Galileo then too.

This is the plot of Bill and Ted's

 

[redandguilty]

or if you do so, make sure you can safely get back to said time machine in order to escape.

want me to come? I wonder what babes in the late renaissance period are like. I bet they smell bad.

we could go meet Galileo then too.

Sure, I'll bring you along. That would be great.

You beautiful babes from England,
for whom we have traveled through time,
will you go to the prom with us in San Dimas?
It will be a most triumphant time!