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RR in @ Zona

Arizona has very low expectations for their football program, so I could see him being there awhile.. I probably would have gotten Leach over RR however.. Guy is a good coach and that whole fiasco with Craig's kid was a joke..
 
From S Mandel, who broke it---


Move over, Desert Swarm. Here comes the Desert Shred.
As Arizona AD Greg Byrne revealed via IPhone camera Monday, Rich Rodriguez is the new coach of the Arizona Wildcats. There are many reasons to believe the oft-maligned former Michigan coach will achieve better success at long-suffering Arizona, but chief among them is this: Arizona is not Michigan.

Arizona doesn't have a long list of stuffy traditions it expect its coach to memorize before he arrives. There are no ghosts of coaching legend past by which his every move will be compared. There will be no collective freak-out if he dares utters the word "ain't" at a press conference, and considering it just withstood eight years of Mike Stoops sideline tantrums, there shouldn't be much outrage over animated coaches using salty language at practices. There may be reporters monitoring his teams' practice hours, but after last year's NCAA wrist-slap, here's guessing he does the same.

Some coaches just don't fit well at certain schools. Rodriguez was doomed from nearly Day 1 at Michigan. Read the recent book Three and Out for more on the many reasons why. Brady Hoke, by contrast, practically bleeds Maize and Blue. He's already proven the better choice to lead the Wolverines.

At Arizona, however, where the fans will warmly welcome anyone with a hint of ability to deliver the Wildcats' first-ever Rose Bowl berth, Rodriguez will be free to do what he did so well back at West Virginia: Coach football. We know he's capable because he led the Mountaineers to a pair of BCS bowls, and once there, they knocked off champions from the SEC (Georgia) and Big 12 (Oklahoma). He came within an 11th-hour heartbreaker of playing for a national championship.

He showed just how potent a spread offense can be with a dynamic athlete like Pat White or Denard Robinson -- guys that would have been moved to receiver 10 years ago -- taking shotgun snaps.

Oregon coach Chip Kelly has spent the past few years dominating the Pac-12 with much the same offense. If you're Arizona, currently in the final stages of nightmarish 3-8 season, why not try it yourself?

Even more so than at Michigan, Rodriguez walks into a program where the cupboard is fairly bare -- with one notable exception. In Ann Arbor, it took three years to develop a reliable quarterback (Robinson) to run his offense. In Tucson, he'll inherit senior-to-be Matt Scott, a dual-threat guy who shined in relief of injured starter Nick Foles in 2010 before redshirting this season. He should have little trouble adapting to Rodriguez's offense and filling the void until he can recruit someone of his own.

But if the Michigan experiment taught Rodriguez anything, his first order of business should be defense -- specifically, hiring the right defensive coordinator. Besides mass player attrition and a former coach undermining him at every turn, Rodriguez's biggest cause for downfall at Michigan was an atrocious defense, caused in part by a coaching disconnect. Rodriguez first hired a coordinator, Scott Shafer (now at Syracuse), of whom he had little prior knowledge. That lasted one season. He then brought in the more high profile Greg Robinson, but insisted the longtime 4-3 coordinator run his preferred 3-3-5 scheme from West Virginia. They never meshed.

Rodriguez ran into this problem to begin with because upon his hiring, he wasn't able to convince the architect of that defense, Jeff Casteel, to join him in Ann Arbor -- reportedly for financial reasons. It will be interesting to see if Rodriguez makes another run at Casteel, who's still in Morgantown but now working for a coach, Dana Holgorsen, with whom he had no prior experience.
If not, he'll need someone with experience and success at a BCS-conference school, in whom he can trust enough to focus on his own area of expertise: Offense.

Recruiting will obviously be the other immediate priority. In theory, he should have access to a plethora of the athletes he needs what with the close proximity to both Southern California and Texas. Of course, every coach before him has had the same advantage, with limited results. (Dick Tomey produced the only two double-digit win seasons in school history, in 1993 and '98.) Rodriguez has thrived in the past by developing under-the-radar recruits, often deemed too small or unconventional for their positions. Both White and Denard Robinson were lightly recruited as quarterbacks, as was former Mountaineers running back Steve Slaton. He'll need to do more the same to keep pace with USC or Oregon.

The other potential stumbling block: Rodriguez has never coached anywhere but the Eastern time zone. When West Virginia played in Arizona for that Fiesta Bowl, he was already gone to Michigan. It's not known whether he's ever seen a cactus, much less held football practice in 110-degree "dry heat."

It will be imperative, then, that his new coaching staff contains a mix both of assistants he knows and trusts but also ones with Pac-12 experience. He'll need recruiters that know California high schools inside out. Oregon's Kelly is from New Hampshire. It's not a deal-breaker. But he also retained several members of predecessor Mike Bellotti's staff. Rodriguez might think to follow suit.

One thing working in his favor: He's walking into a division, the Pac-12 South, that may be about to produce a 7-5 championship game participant. Arizona is only a year removed from a 7-1 start and victory over ranked Iowa; only two years removed from posting a second-place Pac-10 finish. Talented USC will be the class of the division, and possibly the conference, next season, but there's no reason the Wildcats can't compete immediately with Arizona State, UCLA, Utah and Colorado. And NCAA scholarship reductions may eventually fell the Trojans.

The Pac-12 is already full of entertaining offenses. It's about to get another. With a little extra emphasis on the other side of the ball, Rodriguez should do just fine.
 
Great. Another voice claiming Carr undermined RR like it's a known fact. I generally like SMandel, too.
 
yeah, that article sucks. Rodriguez wasn't doomed to fail... he failed because of the decisions he made as head coach. ex post facto excuse making.
 
No support from the alumni to begin with... Who cares though. Its over and done with.
 
Well, you know, hey, the incoming coach can't take all the responsibility for failing at his previous job. That triggers hiring remorse. Rod Richriguez is perfect for the little town of Tuscon. It will toss Jumping Cholla cactus needles at his feet. He'll get a home in the foothills. Be on Arizona Illustrated every night as well as the local network feeds. Hell, he might even get a weekly program produced by KUAT, the student TV station. As far as following Michigan tradition, you're gah-dam right coach has to--how do you think M got so good? If U of A had an inkling of legacy (other than the lame tale of the origins of the fight song, which is perhaps the worst in all of CFB) Rod Richriguez would have to adhere to that as well! As it is, he only has to memorize the three words of the fight song "Bear Down, Arizona!" And it has no discernible melody, so that's a plus.

I can't wait 'til Rod Rich breaks out "You Raise Me Up" and his first banquet.

OH ... AND STOP CALLING IT "'ZONA," YOU GAH-DAM SNOWBIRDS.

OH ... and I called this hiring weeks ago, you ignan't peeee-ons. Bow down in awe. ;)
 
[color=#551A8B said:
Danny Diggler[/color]]No support from the alumni to begin with... Who cares though. Its over and done with.

It seems everyone has their own opinion on what exactly went down with the RR era - but it seems to me in hindsight RR created a lot of the problems himself. Firing the whole staff the moment he got here was probably his first strike in a long line of strikes. The alumni didn't support him because at first he was doing a lot of controversial things. Maybe that will work at a place like Arizona where it needs a complete overhaul - but the people like MC02 (who opposed RR very early on) were mad mostly at the wrecking ball RR became to the program - one thing at a time. If RR had kept most of Lloyds staff not only do I think the alumni would have greeted him differently...but I think RR would still be coaching here.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
[color=#551A8B said:
Danny Diggler[/color]]No support from the alumni to begin with... Who cares though. Its over and done with.

It seems everyone has their own opinion on what exactly went down with the RR era - but it seems to me in hindsight RR created a lot of the problems himself. Firing the whole staff the moment he got here was probably his first strike in a long line of strikes. The alumni didn't support him because at first he was doing a lot of controversial things. Maybe that will work at a place like Arizona where it needs a complete overhaul - but the people like MC02 (who opposed RR very early on) were mad mostly at the wrecking ball RR became to the program - one thing at a time. If RR had kept most of Lloyds staff not only do I think the alumni would have greeted him differently...but I think RR would still be coaching here.

But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy: RR was not the molded M coach, M hired him, and he took that as a sign that they wanted a whole new way of doing things. He leveraged that and the rock that is M football fell backwards and crushed him. Lloyd's staff never would have gotten behind Rod-Rich's flag-football offense and wet-kleenex defense, so they would have quit or been fired anyway.
 
smayschmouthfootball said:
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It seems everyone has their own opinion on what exactly went down with the RR era - but it seems to me in hindsight RR created a lot of the problems himself. Firing the whole staff the moment he got here was probably his first strike in a long line of strikes. The alumni didn't support him because at first he was doing a lot of controversial things. Maybe that will work at a place like Arizona where it needs a complete overhaul - but the people like MC02 (who opposed RR very early on) were mad mostly at the wrecking ball RR became to the program - one thing at a time. If RR had kept most of Lloyds staff not only do I think the alumni would have greeted him differently...but I think RR would still be coaching here.

But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy: RR was not the molded M coach, M hired him, and he took that as a sign that they wanted a whole new way of doing things. He leveraged that and the rock that is M football fell backwards and crushed him. Lloyd's staff never would have gotten behind Rod-Rich's flag-football offense and wet-kleenex defense, so they would have quit or been fired anyway.

To some extent I agree with what you are saying as I'm of the opinion the idiotic admins at the time were willing to let RR do whatever he wanted.

From that there were a few positives that UM still gets to take advantage of today. As I recall, RR requested the $1 million weight room and was a driving force behind getting the stadium modified so the noise on the field could be amplified. I couldn't stand RR from the moment it became apparent his actions were going to break the multiple streaks, but I will try to give him and the admins of that the minimal credit they deserve as well.

Today I'm just thanful they landed Hoke instead of Les or Harbaugh. Yes, they likely would have done just as well, but it just seems that Hoke's absolute love for UM is above any and all other opportunities in college or pro so he will be the coach for a long time hopefully.
 
smayschmouthfootball said:
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OH ... and I called this hiring weeks ago, you ignan't peeee-ons. Bow down in awe. ;)

Oh, was it you? I thought it was Vic...my bad.
 
Red and Guilty said:
Great. Another voice claiming Carr undermined RR like it's a known fact. I generally like SMandel, too.


Is this not the entire article? I don't see any reference to Carr undermining him.

Edit: ok, i'm dumb. it was only highlighted...
 
The thing is there were errors on both sides. When we hired him I dont think we didnt really know enough about him and what his plans were. We needed a coach and he wanted the job so they hired him. I dont think RR even tried at first to understand our traditions. Only after he caught heat did he try. I dont think Martin asked him the right questions when they hired him and made it very clear what to expect about U of M and the alumni. I don't think RR knew enough about the B10 to understand the style of play and what it may take to win. He focused way to much on his offense and forcing the players he had into it. I still think he was bull headed enough to believe he could make it work and he still even in year 2 refused to make the changes. If Hoke and Mattison can fix the defense in one year RR could have in 3 had he put the effort into it. I wish him the best he just wasnt a good fit here plain and simple. I know the term "Michigan man" has been an over used term but to me that doesn't mean someone who has to be from the program but it is someone who understands the program with our traditions and rivalries. It is someone who believes in hard nosed blue collar football especially up front. And it's someone who understands the B10 and the style of play especially defensively needed to win. We have that now in Hoke and without a doubt he will have us winning championships very soon.
 
Here is the truth: Bill Martin managed a bad coaching search. he should've already had a successor lined up, and that failing, should've named DeBord or English as an interim coach for '08. BM ****ed up and we suffered as a result.

RR is a bad head coach, an ignoramus, and an arrogant prick who rubbed everyone in Ann Arbor the wrong way, ****ed up and went 3-9, then tried to spin it afterward and whine that his predecessor was to blame for his result.

If this is not apparent to you, even in hindsight, you are not very insightful. I'm tired of reading these weaselly arguments that go out of their way to preserve RR's rep. He's not worth it.
 
After reading that nonsense from Mandel about Carr undermining RR "at every turn," I think we have our answer to the question of why RR was willing to give Bacon continued access to the Program after it was clear he was a complete and utter failure. There was some conjecture that RR was either really clueless, or just so "honest" that he allowed a guy like Bacon to dig around in the dirt as he ran our Program into the ground, without worrying about his legacy.

But I think this has Mike Brown's fingerprints all over it. he knew Carr was too decent of a human being to comment for a gossip piece full of unattributed quotes and hearsay like "Three-and-Out," so he allowed the book to be written, knowing it would give them a chance to spin RR's failure as being the result of forces beyond his control.

Once that was done, they just needed to find a sap willing to buy. They found that in Arizona's AD.
 
MichChamp02 said:
After reading that nonsense from Mandel about Carr undermining RR "at every turn," I think we have our answer to the question of why RR was willing to give Bacon continued access to the Program after it was clear he was a complete and utter failure. There was some conjecture that RR was either really clueless, or just so "honest" that he allowed a guy like Bacon to dig around in the dirt as he ran our Program into the ground, without worrying about his legacy.

But I think this has Mike Brown's fingerprints all over it. he knew Carr was too decent of a human being to comment for a gossip piece full of unattributed quotes and hearsay like "Three-and-Out," so he allowed the book to be written, knowing it would give them a chance to spin RR's failure as being the result of forces beyond his control.

Once that was done, they just needed to find a sap willing to buy. They found that in Arizona's AD.

The Mike Brown idea is a good one.

The thing that kills me is that 3 and Out only hints at the hearsay. It doesn't actually lay it out for you. Mandel and a lot of the MGoBloggers act like it's a fact and 3 and Out prove the case. 3 and Out doesn't even state the case. Bacon even said, explicitly, (I wish I had the link, I think it was a radio interview) that he never found any evidence that Carr was behind it. People known to be loyal to Carr? Yes. Actual Carr undermining? No. (Unless you think he had an obligation to help and not helping = undermining.)
 
Red and Guilty said:
MichChamp02 said:
After reading that nonsense from Mandel about Carr undermining RR "at every turn," I think we have our answer to the question of why RR was willing to give Bacon continued access to the Program after it was clear he was a complete and utter failure. There was some conjecture that RR was either really clueless, or just so "honest" that he allowed a guy like Bacon to dig around in the dirt as he ran our Program into the ground, without worrying about his legacy.

But I think this has Mike Brown's fingerprints all over it. he knew Carr was too decent of a human being to comment for a gossip piece full of unattributed quotes and hearsay like "Three-and-Out," so he allowed the book to be written, knowing it would give them a chance to spin RR's failure as being the result of forces beyond his control.

Once that was done, they just needed to find a sap willing to buy. They found that in Arizona's AD.

The Mike Brown idea is a good one.

The thing that kills me is that 3 and Out only hints at the hearsay. It doesn't actually lay it out for you. Mandel and a lot of the MGoBloggers act like it's a fact and 3 and Out prove the case. 3 and Out doesn't even state the case. Bacon even said, explicitly, (I wish I had the link, I think it was a radio interview) that he never found any evidence that Carr was behind it. People known to be loyal to Carr? Yes. Actual Carr undermining? No. (Unless you think he had an obligation to help and not helping = undermining.)

Didn't Bacon also say RR had a right to review the transcript before publication, but either didn't, or didn't change anything?

That's completely bogus, man.
 
Exactly -- Mandel and others like the nice, tidy little explanation for Rich Rod's failure at Michigan.

No matter the details, like I posted to begin with, the MICHIGAN job was too much for Rich Rod and Arizona is a much better fit for so many reasons. Mandel hits on most of them (and is why I re-posted the article) but the stuff about RR at UM is gratuitous and exaggerated.

Who cares, though -- so long Rich Rod and good luck with the Wildcats. We'll likely never see you as Michigan fans, unless some Bowl Committee decides to pony up for the Revenge Bowl. In any case, you failed and Brady Hoke has already surpassed you.

..... You will be an asterisk to a footnote in the annals of Michigan Football history.

Go Blue - Beat Ohio*!
 
DR said:
smayschmouthfootball said:
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OH ... and I called this hiring weeks ago, you ignan't peeee-ons. Bow down in awe. ;)

Oh, was it you? I thought it was Vic...my bad.

I think that Vic and I reached the same conclusion separately. Big brains like ours will do that from time to time.
 
I think the fact that their AD tweeted the announcement is promising for RR... the big fancy press conferences, and dignified formal releases are not really his style.

The only thing better than a tweet would've been a facebook posting on the AZ football fan page (which probably has 6 total followers) of something like "proud 2 announce RichRod iz our new coach. Bringin' teh spread n' shred to teh PAC12!!!111"
 
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