Sanders continues to close the gap on Clinton

[sggatecl]

Nomination might not be quite as inevitable as people thought.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

 

[Gulo Blue]

Nomination might not be quite as inevitable as people thought.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

I keep seeing stats like that, but five thirty eight says endorsements are the best predictors and Clinton is beating Sanders 457 to 2.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

 

[Gulo Blue]

They also note that Trump has no endorsements.

 

[Monster]

Bernie and Hillary are both terribly flawed and a lot of their supporters don't like the other one. It makes me nervous that voter turnout will be bad.

 

[Sbee]

Bernie and Hillary are both terribly flawed and a lot of their supporters don't like the other one. It makes me nervous that voter turnout will be bad.

Bernie gets support from millennials who don't vote

I think the DNC establishment is killing the Sanders candidacy by staging debates on weekends when nobody is watching

 

[tinselwolverine]

Bernie gets support from millennials who don't vote

I think the DNC establishment is killing the Sanders candidacy by staging debates on weekends when nobody is watching

It's the worst kept secret in Washington.

Every time I see/hear Debbie Wasserman Schultz respond to questions on this it's hilarious.

 

[Sbee]

It's the worst kept secret in Washington.

Every time I see/hear Debbie Wasserman Schultz respond to questions on this it's hilarious.

I don't think it's a secret who the political donor class wants and they're driving the bus on this one

 

[Thumb]

I was firmly in the Bernie camp until this latest stuff about him opposing some of the gun crackdowns.

It doesn't sway me towards Billary, but gun control has long been a large platform for the Democratic Party, and I don't think Bernie gets the nomination without changing his tune, which Hillary will then exploit.

 

[Michchamp]

I am still 100% on board the Bernie Sanders train. Haven't really read of seen anything substantial to change that yet.

I don't know what would happen if he was elected... WashingtonDC might spontaneously combust.

 

[Monster]

I was firmly in the Bernie camp until this latest stuff about him opposing some of the gun crackdowns.

It doesn't sway me towards Billary, but gun control has long been a large platform for the Democratic Party, and I don't think Bernie gets the nomination without changing his tune, which Hillary will then exploit.

For me, there's that, his stance on GMO, the way he thinks everything can be solved with government money, and the way he was bullied by BLM into switching his position - specifically, those two black chicks who chased him away from his mic.

And then Hillary with her feminist agenda and constant calls of sexism. It makes it worse that she's the walking stereotype of a politician.

 

[sggatecl]

I keep seeing stats like that, but five thirty eight says endorsements are the best predictors and Clinton is beating Sanders 457 to 2.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Don't tell Hilary Clinton from 2008 that.

 

[biggunsbob]

And then there are the rebublicans.

This has to be one of the worst field of candidates of all time on both sides.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Don't tell Hilary Clinton from 2008 that.

When they hit Iowa in 2008, Clinton had around 30% and Obama had around 10%. This time Clinton is around 99% before Iowa.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Edit...that's not right. Clinton has 99% of those that have decided. Not 99% of all that are going to decide. But the ratios are still wildly different. 3:1 or 2:1 vs greater than 200:1.

 

[sggatecl]

Numbers be damned, I lean liberal and I'd still vote for half the GOP nominees over Clinton. Can't fucking stand her.

 

[Michchamp]

Numbers be damned, I lean liberal and I'd still vote for half the GOP nominees over Clinton. Can't fucking stand her.

Sanders' rallies and campaign events have been really well attended - often better than Trump's events - a fact which NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, CNN, etc have largely ignored.

I wouldn't be surprised if the poll numbers are slanted by the same media.

and of course the closer and closer we get to the election, the more they'll all gang up on him. we already saw one dirty trick (the email thing) backfire on the DNC. His campaign is remarkably well-funded though, for a non-establishment pick; they immediately sued and fought it off. should be interesting. the amount of money he's been able to raise - most of it in small donations from the people - makes him a lot more legit than people want to admit.

 

[Sbee]

Numbers be damned, I lean liberal and I'd still vote for half the GOP nominees over Clinton. Can't fucking stand her.

I still don't understand the visceral hatred for her, she's a bland center left politician who is owned by the political donor class. I don't think America would be an unrecognizable mess after 8 years of Hillary

 

[Gulo Blue]

the amount of money he's been able to raise - most of it in small donations from the people - makes him a lot more legit than people want to admit.

Which was one of the groundbreaking things they were saying about Obama.

 

[sggatecl]

I still don't understand the visceral hatred for her, she's a bland center left politician who is owned by the political donor class. I don't think America would be an unrecognizable mess after 8 years of Hillary

Of course it wouldn't. It would be the same as it is now because the lobbyists she panders to would keep the status quo. Nothing would change and that's the problem.

That alone isn't enough to hate her because it describes so many other politicians. Add her condescending personality, her "vote for me, I'm a woman" rhetoric, and a mountain of other things and it just puts me off. Some of my vitriol is leftover from 2008 and she has done nothing to appease it since then.

 

[Michchamp]

eh... Billary is definitely to the right of Obama, and far to the right of Bernie Sanders.

I agree it would be more of the same shit.

I think though, Sanders has forced her to run further left than she feels comfortable doing & would force her to staff her White House further left than she otherwise would... hopefully that means a Billary White House won't employ any Rahm Emanuel version 2.0 types.

 

[tinselwolverine]

SE Cupp was just talking about this subject on CNN.

That the gap is closing, and the Hillary camp is just getting nasty.