Scherzer rejects Tigers contract offer

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If you are a 29 year old pitcher every additional year is huge. I bet he gets more than that in free agency next year.

All depends on how he does this year.

 

[swami45]

I just want Max traded. It's in the best interest of the team. Re-sign Miggy long term, and trade Max ASAP to get top value in return. We'd still have JV and Sanchez to anchor a still solid rotation, and be able to spend money on actual need and have good prospects to boot.

If you trade Max now, which will never happen. You will piss off the fans and players because you are basically waiving a white flag on the season. All you will get in return are prospects that probably are not MLB ready either, nothing to help this season. They would probably be forced to have casey crosby in the rotation. Is that what you want?

 

[Mitchrapp]

If you trade Max now, which will never happen. You will piss off the fans and players because you are basically waiving a white flag on the season. All you will get in return are prospects that probably are not MLB ready either, nothing to help this season. They would probably be forced to have casey crosby in the rotation. Is that what you want?

Maybe the players but fans don't like seeing a guy walk for nothing..plus it's more than just 2014. Add in the fact JV, Sanchez is still a good duo. We have Max and had Fister and still didn't win a title.

 

[Thundercats]

You can tell DD is upset about this or else he wouldn't be talking to the press about it. He said it's the most he's ever offered a player to have it turned down. Obviously Max's ego is overinflated now that he's had a great year. He's going to be a player the fans turn on.. he keeps saying he wants to stay long term, yet rejects $24 million annually. Sounds like a liar to me.

 

[tomdalton22]

You can tell DD is upset about this or else he wouldn't be talking to the press about it. He said it's the most he's ever offered a player to have it turned down. Obviously Max's ego is overinflated now that he's had a great year. He's going to be a player the fans turn on.. he keeps saying he wants to stay long term, yet rejects $24 million annually. Sounds like a liar to me.

It's business. If he thinks he can get another year from another team he is entitled to do so. This is going to be his only huge contract.

 

[grandy]

Starting pitchers
The highest-paid starting pitchers, by average annual value:
1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20)
2. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19)
3. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19)
4. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18)
5. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16)
6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000 (2013-18)
. . . Cliff Lee, $24,000,000 (2011-15)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/highest-paid-players/

That would put Scherzer in a tie for the 6th highest paid starting pitcher ever. The guy just won the Cy Young in 2013, why would he settle for 6th most? Regardless of how good we the fans think he is, put yourself in Max's position, wouldn't you think you're worth more than 24 million?

 

[dale675]

Starting pitchers
The highest-paid starting pitchers, by average annual value:
1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20)
2. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19)
3. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19)
4. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18)
5. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16)
6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000 (2013-18)
. . . Cliff Lee, $24,000,000 (2011-15)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/highest-paid-players/

That would put Scherzer in a tie for the 6th highest paid starting pitcher ever. The guy just won the Cy Young in 2013, why would he settle for 6th most? Regardless of how good we the fans think he is, put yourself in Max's position, wouldn't you think you're worth more than 24 million?

Not saying this is an end all be all stat, but I have followed baseball a long time and what can all those pitchers do that Max cannot? Complete a game.



1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20) 11 CG's through 2013
2. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19) 20 CG's through 2012
3. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19) 23 CG's though 2012
4. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18) 12 CG's though 2012
5. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16) 33 CG's though 2011
6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000 (2013-18) 12 CG's though 2012
. . . Cliff Lee, $24,000,000 (2011-15) 20 CG's though 2010

Max Scherzer.....ZERO ever

Personally I am glad he did not accept the offer. The Tigers would have well over 400m wrapper up in 3 starting pitchers. In my opinion that could be a recipe for disaster.

 

[grandy]

Not saying this is an end all be all stat, but I have followed baseball a long time and what can all those pitchers do that Max cannot? Complete a game.



1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20) 11 CG's through 2013
2. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19) 20 CG's through 2012
3. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19) 23 CG's though 2012
4. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18) 12 CG's though 2012
5. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16) 33 CG's though 2011
6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000 (2013-18) 12 CG's though 2012
. . . Cliff Lee, $24,000,000 (2011-15) 20 CG's though 2010

Max Scherzer.....ZERO ever

Personally I am glad he did not accept the offer. The Tigers would have well over 400m wrapper up in 3 starting pitchers. In my opinion that could be a recipe for disaster.

I personally don't want the Tigers throwing a bunch of money at him either.

But like I said, regardless of what us fans think...He just won the Cy Young, which according to the MLB, means he was the top pitcher in the league. It's only fair for him to want top money for being the perceived "top pitcher".

I don't think he'll repeat last year and I don't even think he's the best pitcher on the Tigers, but based on last season I can't fault him for wanting more.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's business. If he thinks he can get another year from another team he is entitled to do so. This is going to be his only huge contract.

You make it sound like players can't make it on 144m.

 

[tomdalton22]

You make it sound like players can't make it on 144m.

lol...it does sound funny but that is how it is in sports now. Hell, I could live the rest of my life on what he has made up to now in his career......and that doesn't count the $15M he is guaranteed to make this season!!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Starting pitchers
The highest-paid starting pitchers, by average annual value:
1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20)
2. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19)
3. Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19)
4. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18)
5. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16)
6. Cole Hamels, $24,000,000 (2013-18)
. . . Cliff Lee, $24,000,000 (2011-15)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/highest-paid-players/

That would put Scherzer in a tie for the 6th highest paid starting pitcher ever. The guy just won the Cy Young in 2013, why would he settle for 6th most? Regardless of how good we the fans think he is, put yourself in Max's position, wouldn't you think you're worth more than 24 million?

No. What the hell has baseball come when players need to be highest paid..24m is way beyond what he's worth. Fk him. I hope he breaks an arm.

 

[grandy]

No. What the hell has baseball come when players need to be highest paid..24m is way beyond what he's worth. Fk him. I hope he breaks an arm.

People need to stop looking at this situation on a large scale. This is not about whether he can feed his family or not on $24MM, it's about comparative worth. If you want to complain about how much money these players are making, blame the MLB and the fans, not the players. The fans are the ones throwing money at the MLB and the MLB allows these large contracts.

The "hometown discount" is a luxury and we should applaud players for taking it, but we shouldn't ridicule them for not taking it.

The 2013 NL Cy Young Award winner Clayton Kershaw is due to make almost $31MM per season. Why should the 2013 AL Cy Young Award winner accept $7MM less per year?

Despite all the advanced metrics out there, this is still a relatively simple league. Agents, especially of the Boras-caliber, will probably jump all over stuff like this.

 

[Mitchrapp]

People need to stop looking at this situation on a large scale. This is not about whether he can feed his family or not on $24MM, it's about comparative worth. If you want to complain about how much money these players are making, blame the MLB and the fans, not the players. The fans are the ones throwing money at the MLB and the MLB allows these large contracts.

The "hometown discount" is a luxury and we should applaud players for taking it, but we shouldn't ridicule them for not taking it.

The 2013 NL Cy Young Award winner Clayton Kershaw is due to make almost $31MM per season. Why should the 2013 AL Cy Young Award winner accept $7MM less per year?

Despite all the advanced metrics out there, this is still a relatively simple league. Agents, especially of the Boras-caliber, will probably jump all over stuff like this.

Because Max is no Clayton. Comparative worth my ass. One great year doesn't warrant being close to top pay. It's called greedy..I'm not taking any blame because I go to a ballgame once a year and eat a fuckin' hotdog. I did that back in the 70's when they were making less than a mill.

And it's not all owners. You think the Rays or Pirates would pay Max 24m? Ha. Break an arm I say...

 

[jdeb]

I don't blame him for maxing the opportunity to secure the future of his kids and the future generations beyond that. Good for him and I hope he can get what someone's willing to pay his asking price. You all would do the same thing if presented with it.

He apparently is going to test the market, now the Tigers need to evaluate his worth on the trade market. Will they get more now? or more later providing he is on pace for a 20 win season? Worse case? He goes back to the mechanical midget he used to be and smaller value towards the deadline. I think his value is max now... go get a LF and see what Ray can do.

 

[tomdalton22]

Because Max is no Clayton. Comparative worth my ass. One great year doesn't warrant being close to top pay. It's called greedy..I'm not taking any blame because I go to a ballgame once a year and eat a fuckin' hotdog. I did that back in the 70's when they were making less than a mill.

And it's not all owners. You think the Rays or Pirates would pay Max 24m? Ha. Break an arm I say...

It's basic supply and demand. There is a very limited supply of #1 type starting pitchers that hit the open market. If there are teams willing to pay him $24M+ a year than that is exactly what he is worth. According to reports the Tigers think he is worth $24M over 6 years and Max thinks he can do better in free agency. Time will tell but I think he will get more than 6/$144 this off season.

As far as him breaking an arm....that doesn't help the Tigers at all!

 

[Mitchrapp]

So he wants the big money for future generations? Why would he care about that..and if it was true then why does he spend too much on a house that's too big for him and cars he doesn't need..I doubt one player works a contract where he thinks about next generation.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's basic supply and demand. There is a very limited supply of #1 type starting pitchers that hit the open market. If there are teams willing to pay him $24M+ a year than that is exactly what he is worth. According to reports the Tigers think he is worth $24M over 6 years and Max thinks he can do better in free agency. Time will tell but I think he will get more than 6/$144 this off season.

As far as him breaking an arm....that doesn't help the Tigers at all!

No but I'd get a big laugh out of it. Screw him..

 

[grandy]

Because Max is no Clayton. Comparative worth my ass. One great year doesn't warrant being close to top pay. It's called greedy..I'm not taking any blame because I go to a ballgame once a year and eat a fuckin' hotdog. I did that back in the 70's when they were making less than a mill.

And it's not all owners. You think the Rays or Pirates would pay Max 24m? Ha. Break an arm I say...

Based on recent performance and an overall simplistic view, the two are on a similar level as far as starting pitchers.

I don't think he's nearly as good as Kershaw and I don't think he's worth even $24MM. But it's not up to me and if I were in his position I'd be asking for more too.

"You think the Rays or Pirates would pay Max 24m?"

What does that have to do with anything? Not every baseball team is on equal footing, money-wise. Those aren't big markets and they won't ever sign top tier FAs for top dollar. Do I think the Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers would pay Max over $24MM? Absolutely.

I hope Max goes out there and gets $30MM, if only to prove how ludicrous today's contracts are.

 

[tomdalton22]

No but I'd get a big laugh out of it. Screw him..

Ever since I read the article about how his brother killed himself Max has been one of my favorite Tiger players. I don't think it is any coincidence that since that day he has been the best pitcher on the Tigers staff.

All that said...I don't want them to extend him for 6 years / $144M. Too much money given the team's other high paid players. They should have traded him in the off season instead of Fister but that ship has sailed. It is probably still in the best interest of the long term success of the team to trade him at the trade deadline but I doubt that happens as long as Mr I is alive.

 

[jdeb]

So he wants the big money for future generations? Why would he care about that..and if it was true then why does he spend too much on a house that's too big for him and cars he doesn't need..I doubt one player works a contract where he thinks about next generation.

A house is never too big at his age, plus it's probably considered an investment considering the neighbor hood it's in. It's not like he is buying the Manoogian Mansion in Detroit. Car's can be handed down and believe it or not, some actually hold or increase their value. I know for a fact that many actually do think about their family's future. Gibby is a great example. He is a keen investor that has all those luxury things and his family will be of benefit for future generations to come. Trammell is another. Granderson as well but he is more frugal in terms of worldly things. Nothing wrong with the old manly duty of taking care of his family.