Selig is retiring

[tomdalton22]

Tom

The Players Union had agreed to anonymous testing in 2003, only to find out the list of players testing positive was turned over to the government (as part of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative investigation).

Similar thing happened with the Mitchell Report, commissioned by Selig after CONGRESS got all uppity. Mitchell agreed to give Commissioner Selig an advanced copy of the report while refusing to do the same for the Players Association prior to it's release.

Regardless of you opinion on unions. The key charter for a Union is to protect the work environment of it's members. MLB and Selig were not being forthright with the union.

And for the record. The commissioner works for the owners and is voted in by the owners. For that alone, it would be highly unlikely a former union member would become commissioned (i.e. Torre).

If the government wants to get a list they have the power to do so...nothing MLB could have done about it. I was talking about in the 1990's when the union said no. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of it goes on the players and the union...not the owners and Selig.

 

[Rebbiv]

If the government wants to get a list they have the power to do so...nothing MLB could have done about it. I was talking about in the 1990's when the union said no. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of it goes on the players and the union...not the owners and Selig.

What is this about? What list? Mitchell Report was commissioned by MLB, not Congress. It was Congress in 2002 that told Selig and Fehr to have drug testing, which they incorporated in the next Collective Bargaining.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/drug_policy.jsp?content=timeline

You give Selig way too much credit and are bashing the Union on things that are factually inaccurate.

 

[tomdalton22]

What is this about? What list? Mitchell Report was commissioned by MLB, not Congress. It was Congress in 2002 that told Selig and Fehr to have drug testing, which they incorporated in the next Collective Bargaining.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/drug_policy.jsp?content=timeline

You give Selig way too much credit and are bashing the Union on things that are factually inaccurate.

I was confused....I always heard Mitchell described as Sen Mitchell and forgot who ordered the investigation (BTW....which needed to be done) The names should not have been leaked but I am glad they were.

But....Here is a fact for you. Selig and the owners tried to get drug testing in baseball during the strike of 1994 and the UNION refused. The CBA is bargained and both sides have to agree. One side wanted it and the other didn't!

 

[Rebbiv]

I was confused....I always heard Mitchell described as Sen Mitchell and forgot who ordered the investigation (BTW....which needed to be done) The names should not have been leaked but I am glad they were.

But....Here is a fact for you. Selig and the owners tried to get drug testing in baseball during the strike of 1994 and the UNION refused. The CBA is bargained and both sides have to agree. One side wanted it and the other didn't!

This is like saying the Republications are responsible for the current furlough. The congress as a whole, house and senate, are responsible for passing the budget, which hasn't been done since 2009. Continuing Resolutions cost more over time, because prices cannot be fixed without a budget. But, one side or the other will be opposed to certain language. Why does one side or the other have to be the one to take the blame? Maybe there should be equal blame, or no blame at all. Not everything is black or white, sometimes there are grey areas.

Certainly, during 1994, management wanted to address drug testing. But at the time, they were only using this as a negotiating ploy. They knew the union would be opposed. The union was more interested in preventing more collusion and changing free agency by the owners. It was only addressed as a bargain chip. There was no real interest in implementing such a thing, whether you believe or not. And btw, Selig was at the root of the collusion prior to the 1994 strike.

You believe NFL, NBA and NHL are PED free? Do they have drug testing? Yes, but it is a joke and not many care. You actually think Adrian Peterson could come back from a devastating knee injury without PEDs?

 

[tomdalton22]

This is like saying the Republications are responsible for the current furlough. The congress as a whole, house and senate, are responsible for passing the budget, which hasn't been done since 2009. Continuing Resolutions cost more over time, because prices cannot be fixed without a budget. But, one side or the other will be opposed to certain language. Why does one side or the other have to be the one to take the blame? Maybe there should be equal blame, or no blame at all. Not everything is black or white, sometimes there are grey areas.

Certainly, during 1994, management wanted to address drug testing. But at the time, they were only using this as a negotiating ploy. They knew the union would be opposed. The union was more interested in preventing more collusion and changing free agency by the owners. It was only addressed as a bargain chip. There was no real interest in implementing such a thing, whether you believe or not. And btw, Selig was at the root of the collusion prior to the 1994 strike.

You believe NFL, NBA and NHL are PED free? Do they have drug testing? Yes, but it is a joke and not many care. You actually think Adrian Peterson could come back from a devastating knee injury without PEDs?

this is your opinion (bold). As far as other sports being PED free....I don't believe for one second that they are. But the point I am trying to make about Selig is most people that think he did a poor job as commish bring up PED use in baseball. There was nothing he could have done without the union on his side....which they were not.

From your posts I get the feeling that you are pro union and you probably guessed that I am anti union. Unions were good about 100 years ago but they have run their course for the most part. A lot of industry was served well by unions 100 years ago but ruined within the past 30. Look at the city of Detroit and the Big 3. Unions built them 100 years ago but almost ruined them over the past 30 years.

 

[Rebbiv]

Tom. I am a conservative and certainly do not believe in traditional unions. Sport unions are different. I also do not believe MLB should have an anti-trust exception.

You obviously do not want to believe Selig was bad for baseball. That is fine. But you are accusing me of using "opinion" to alter history and proclaim your opinions as fact.

 

[byco42]

Selig was a bad commissioner on many levels, with his tolerance of PEDs being virtually unacceptable. It's a yes or no proposition. Selig said "maybe" for years and skewed the game as a result.

 

[tomdalton22]

Tom. I am a conservative and certainly do not believe in traditional unions. Sport unions are different. I also do not believe MLB should have an anti-trust exception.

You obviously do not want to believe Selig was bad for baseball. That is fine. But you are accusing me of using "opinion" to alter history and proclaim your opinions as fact.

How would baseball be run without an anti-trust exception?

I hope the only statement that I made as a "fact" was that the union refused to allow drug testing into the CBA in 1994. If I stated any of my other opinions as fact it was my poor writing skills at work.