***shaking head in total confusion***

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tate was like number 4. the focus was never on him.... ever.

Let's be real here...

Tate was expected to be the #3. Then Percy Harvin had his period again, and Sidney Rice was busted up like Sidney Rice always is.

Tate became the #1 receiver. The offense still focused on Marshawn Lynch.

Tate was thrust into a bigger role, and he stepped up and delivered, but it's not like he was Calvin, nor was he ever projected to be in that role to begin with.

Circumstances what they were, he was asked to be the go-to guy in the passing game, he delivered an acceptable performance in that role, and he should thrive as the #2 or #3 here.

 

[mhughes0021]

Let's be real here...

Tate was expected to be the #3. Then Percy Harvin had his period again, and Sidney Rice was busted up like Sidney Rice always is.

Tate became the #1 receiver. The offense still focused on Marshawn Lynch.

Tate was thrust into a bigger role, and he stepped up and delivered, but it's not like he was Calvin, nor was he ever projected to be in that role to begin with.

Circumstances what they were, he was asked to be the go-to guy in the passing game, he delivered an acceptable performance in that role, and he should thrive as the #2 or #3 here.

ok...lets be real then...

Seattle offered Tate peanuts cause they know they are just fine with 2 UDFAs and Percy Harvin. Baldwin had 100 less yards on 25 less targets. He stepped up and made Tate expendable. Kearse had 1 less TD on 60 less targets. Kearse stepped up in the playoffs and made Tate even more expendable. They had no plans for Tate cause 2 UDFAs made him useless going into this year. Harvin is the #1. And they are a SMART organization that doesn't overpay for a #2 that isn't going to produce much. Stafford has Proven he cant get production out of the WR position unless hes throwing to CJ. he reads CJ...then dumps down to a rb or Pettigrew. If some small miracle happens and this coaching staff changes that...then good job. But I would have drafted a cheap #2 and spent money on fixing our shitty defense. If you guys don't share the same opinion....that's fine by me...but when I start gloating after the end of next season saying "I told you so" I hope I don't get a bunch of threads crying saying how im such an ass and im the "worst Detroit fan ever" lol. Im the worst mayhew fan ever...and I don't like how he has built this team. His results have proven he hasn't done a very good job...shitty record and already got a coach fired in 4 seasons....0 playoff wins...awesome.

 

[LKP]

Tate>>Burleson
Tate's health>>>>>Burleson (leaving junk for Stafford in 2012/2013)
Burlesons and Youngs healthy year 41 TDs by Stafford

Stafford can produce with a number 2.

 

[sggatecl]

Seattle loses top 2 WR and asks Tate to step up and does well.

Detroit loses #2 and #3 WR and asks ANYONE to step up and nobody does.

Depth depth depth...

 

[LKP]

Seattle loses top 2 WR and asks Tate to step up and does well.

Detroit loses #2 and #3 WR and asks ANYONE to step up and nobody does.

Depth depth depth...

The RBs stepped up. 1,053 yards combined. Similar to Baldwin/Miller (1,100) the Seahawks number 2 and top TE.

Detroits offense did well without a number 2 and 3. Burleson was on pace for 800 yards by the way too, he just missed 7 games. Just imagine having a good number 2 and 3 with good coaching. Elite.

 

[atxlion82]

Almost every analyst (besides Hughes) said that wr was our biggest need. We go out get one of the best available at a decent contract and that becomes a bad thing. We dropped more balls than any other team. We get a receiver with the best hands in the nfl the past 3 years, and that becomes a bad thing.

 

[mhughes0021]

Almost every analyst (besides Hughes) said that wr was our biggest need. We go out get one of the best available at a decent contract and that becomes a bad thing. We dropped more balls than any other team. We get a receiver with the best hands in the nfl the past 3 years, and that becomes a bad thing.

we ve gone around and around on this. But I can get a rd 3 wr in this years draft that can produce as well as golden tate. SOooo....if im proposed with a choice of signing a wr and STILL having a wr need. Or just draft one and use the money on filling a defensive hole....then that would be how I went about addressing my needs. Instead, we signed Seattles #3 WR like a top FA WR (if youre using the argument that sea had their number 1 and 2 go down and tate stepped up....then im allowed to say hes a #3.....unlike LKP who keeps calling him a #1).

Then the second part of your argument is the drops argument...which is kinda like the chicken or egg argument......but when we have as much turnover as weve had at the wr position and we consistently are one of the higher drop rates in the league....I think that suggests the one thing that is constant is to blame.....Stafford and his inaccurate ball that is usually thrown with little or no touch...at all.

Tate comes in and is a 1000+ yd WR for us and helps improve staffords comp %....then ill eat crow. thread has been bookmarked.

 

[LKP]

we ve gone around and around on this. But I can get a rd 3 wr in this years draft that can produce as well as golden tate. SOooo....if im proposed with a choice of signing a wr and STILL having a wr need. Or just draft one and use the money on filling a defensive hole....then that would be how I went about addressing my needs. Instead, we signed Seattles #3 WR like a top FA WR (if youre using the argument that sea had their number 1 and 2 go down and tate stepped up....then im allowed to say hes a #3.....unlike LKP who keeps calling him a #1).

Then the second part of your argument is the drops argument...which is kinda like the chicken or egg argument......but when we have as much turnover as weve had at the wr position and we consistently are one of the higher drop rates in the league....I think that suggests the one thing that is constant is to blame.....Stafford and his inaccurate ball that is usually thrown with little or no touch...at all.

Tate comes in and is a 1000+ yd WR for us and helps improve staffords comp %....then ill eat crow. thread has been bookmarked.

Round 3 rookie WR does not equal Tate. Tate is much better than most rookies in this class plus has the experience and NFL conditioning. Tate was paid like a good number 2(compared to all WR contracts). That is what he is and he earned that contract stepping up as Seattle number 1 WR when called upon.

I look forward to a big year from Tate. Half the teams in the league don't have a 800 yard WR as their number 2, but I'll set the bar for 1,000 yards for Tate as well but I won't cry with 850-950 and 6-7 TDs with good efficiency in catches to targets. Alot depends if we get Watkins too.

 

[mhughes0021]

Round 3 rookie WR does not equal Tate. Tate is much better than most rookies in this class plus has the experience and NFL conditioning. Tate was paid like a good number 2(compared to all WR contracts). That is what he is and he earned that contract stepping up as Seattle number 1 WR when called upon.

I look forward to a big year from Tate. Half the teams in the league don't have a 800 yard WR as their number 2, but I'll set the bar for 1,000 yards for Tate as well but I won't cry with 850-950 and 6-7 TDs with good efficiency in catches to targets. Alot depends if we get Watkins too.

100% of the other teams don't throw the ball as much as we have over the past 3 years.....that's why I don't want my #2 who just got paid like a top WR FA only getting 800 yards when he just got over 800 yards in a run first offense. If you are setting the bar low and his expectation is a 800 yard season with 6 tds then id say to you...."why the fuck did we just sign him when I can get martavious Bryant in rd 3 and he can get that type of production in this offense?"

Just another example of settling for mediocrity....

 

[tomdalton22]

Round 3 rookie WR does not equal Tate. Tate is much better than most rookies in this class plus has the experience and NFL conditioning. Tate was paid like a good number 2(compared to all WR contracts). That is what he is and he earned that contract stepping up as Seattle number 1 WR when called upon.

I look forward to a big year from Tate. Half the teams in the league don't have a 800 yard WR as their number 2, but I'll set the bar for 1,000 yards for Tate as well but I won't cry with 850-950 and 6-7 TDs with good efficiency in catches to targets. Alot depends if we get Watkins too.

If Tate gets 1000 yards a lot of it will be coming from Bell, Bush and CJ's yardage total. The reason the Lions were under .500 last year and shitty the year before is lack of depth, poor play by Stafford, lack of pass rush and below average to poor play in the secondary.

As far as Watkins...I don't see any way the Lions can get him.

 

[atxlion82]

we ve gone around and around on this. But I can get a rd 3 wr in this years draft that can produce as well as golden tate. SOooo....if im proposed with a choice of signing a wr and STILL having a wr need. Or just draft one and use the money on filling a defensive hole....then that would be how I went about addressing my needs. Instead, we signed Seattles #3 WR like a top FA WR (if youre using the argument that sea had their number 1 and 2 go down and tate stepped up....then im allowed to say hes a #3.....unlike LKP who keeps calling him a #1).

Then the second part of your argument is the drops argument...which is kinda like the chicken or egg argument......but when we have as much turnover as weve had at the wr position and we consistently are one of the higher drop rates in the league....I think that suggests the one thing that is constant is to blame.....Stafford and his inaccurate ball that is usually thrown with little or no touch...at all.

Tate comes in and is a 1000+ yd WR for us and helps improve staffords comp %....then ill eat crow. thread has been bookmarked.

So you say that even with signing a wr we still need one. So if we didnt sign a wr we would have had to use two picks in the draft.

It is a deep wr class so we can still get a good one in round 3. Leaving us the first 2 picks to go defense.

 

[LKP]

If Tate gets 1000 yards a lot of it will be coming from Bell, Bush and CJ's yardage total. The reason the Lions were under .500 last year and shitty the year before is lack of depth, poor play by Stafford, lack of pass rush and below average to poor play in the secondary.

As far as Watkins...I don't see any way the Lions can get him.

If you take off of Bush and Bell that is fine. WRS usually have higher YPC. Better offense.

Lions were a very talented team with a turnover problem down the stretch (fumbles and ints). The coaches can fix that and having better 2 and 3 can fix that causing less forced throws. They have plenty of talent and depth. The pass rush was top 5 overall in pressure just didn't get the sacks. That can change too. The secondary was average but Houston can rebound to 2011/2012 form and Slay a talented 2nd round CB can grow in year 2. Ihedigbo is better than Delmas in alot of areas including availability.

 

[mhughes0021]

So you say that even with signing a wr we still need one. So if we didnt sign a wr we would have had to use two picks in the draft.

It is a deep wr class so we can still get a good one in round 3. Leaving us the first 2 picks to go defense.

I had no problem taking 2 wrs in the top 4 rounds of this years draft if we got defensive help in FA. First off we have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds and as you pointed out the WR class is deeeeeeeep. I love a lot of the guys in this years draft.

But there were other options as well if you didn't want to pick 2. There were 1 year prove it deals like nicks or britt that would have worked well as #2s here and could have come cheap. IFFFFF we shelled out money I liked sanders and decker over tate. So, while we agree they had a WR need....I think they filled it with like the 6th or 7th best option if you considered cost, duration and lack of other moves.

A lot of people on here keep arguing out of both sides of their ass. They like to take the side of not blaming Stafford for yet another epic collapse because they say are defense was horrid. But then they argue on the side of mayhew who keeps addressing the offense and does nothing for the defense. Our defense is EXACTLY the same as last year with less depth along the dline. It will stay exactly the same unless we end up relying on a bunch of rookies to beat out guys for starting positions.

 

[LKP]

So you say that even with signing a wr we still need one. So if we didnt sign a wr we would have had to use two picks in the draft.

It is a deep wr class so we can still get a good one in round 3. Leaving us the first 2 picks to go defense.

Hughes thinks a rookie 3rd round pick equals Golden Tate. He's a lost cause in football analysis.

 

[LKP]

I had no problem taking 2 wrs in the top 4 rounds of this years draft if we got defensive help in FA. First off we have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds and as you pointed out the WR class is deeeeeeeep. I love a lot of the guys in this years draft.

But there were other options as well if you didn't want to pick 2. There were 1 year prove it deals like nicks or britt that would have worked well as #2s here and could have come cheap. IFFFFF we shelled out money I liked sanders and decker over tate. So, while we agree they had a WR need....I think they filled it with like the 6th or 7th best option if you considered cost, duration and lack of other moves.

A lot of people on here keep arguing out of both sides of their ass. They like to take the side of not blaming Stafford for yet another epic collapse because they say are defense was horrid. But then they argue on the side of mayhew who keeps addressing the offense and does nothing for the defense. Our defense is EXACTLY the same as last year with less depth along the dline. It will stay exactly the same unless we end up relying on a bunch of rookies to beat out guys for starting positions.

Healthier defense (Jones) and Houston/Slay's play is not stagnant. Ihedigbo is an upgrade in a lot of areas over Delmas. Excited for Ansah(plus healthier) and Taylor in year 2 as well. We are just as deep as we were last year on the Dline. It was Ansah(with a bum shoulder), Young, Taylor and Idonije most of the year. Ansah (healthy), Taylor (year 2), Jones (healthy and the true starer over Young) and Tapp matches that depth from most of 2013. But go ahead and predict a Jones injury with your crystal ball.

Tate long term is much better than a one year deal for anyone. Britt is fucking bum. You are an idiot if you wanted Britt. And Nicks cap number is higher than Tate by the way. We would have had less money to spend on defense if we signed Nicks to that one year deal.

 

[mhughes0021]

Hughes thinks a rookie 3rd round pick equals Golden Tate. He's a lost cause in football analysis.

if you think martavius Bryant cant come into this offense and put up 800 yards and 6 tds like you want tate to do (if given equal opportunity)....then Stafford blows donkey ass.

 

[LKP]

if you think martavius Bryant cant come into this offense and put up 800 yards and 6 tds like you want tate to do (if given equal opportunity)....then Stafford blows donkey ass.

He's a rookie. There is a learning curve and it hurts the turnover problems (rookies running bad routes). Tate has better hands, just as good speed and is very productive with YAC and deep. Tate is worth the money. This team needs experience and leadership too. I know for a fact you'd be crying over Mayhew relying on inexperience if it was Calvin and two rookie WRS with Ogletree/Durham as the 4 and 5.

 

[LKP]

if you think martavius Bryant cant come into this offense and put up 800 yards and 6 tds like you want tate to do (if given equal opportunity)....then Stafford blows donkey ass.

And I said 1,000 for Tate. No I don't think Bryant can have 1,000 as a rookie.

 

[tonyballs]

jones is young? upside?....coming off an exploding knee? Jones' career high in sacks is a whopping 5.....and that was 6 years ago lmao. this conversation is over.

Jones is 27, buddy!! lol. And he's making great progress in his rehab. Your boy is 34!! With ailments all over and production slipping. A cheap, solid rotation of Jones and Taylor all day over a has been ...sorry.

 

[tonyballs]

it was very broylesesque in nature. Was a luxury signing on a team with no cap room and had a ton of immediate needs we either filled with crap or have yet to fill. Similar to the luxury pick in the 2nd round of broyles when we had a ton of holes everywhere and filled them with crap. Mayhew strikes again with his thinking a 2nd round WR is going to come in and fix everything.

A luxury signing? Dude, we had Kris Durham as our #2! A kid (Broyles) who can't get on the field. A special teamer (Ross) and a guy who just runs in a straight line with bad hands (Ogletree) as our options. How in theeeee fuck was a WR a luxury pick??

And then now you wanted E Sanders??? You're some kinda special. Do you get rocked to sleep every night or what? lmao