Should we look at Erik Swenson

[Sbee]

So Cupp recruited himself to OSU, got it.

Kid grew up in Ohio, always wanted to go to OSU, didn't get an offer and decided for plan B. He tried to hide it from the staff that he was working out to earn that offer, MD dropped him and took AJ Acuri. That how it went down, his quotes from before show that he wanted that OSU offer and that it was his dream school.

I'm sure you can find better examples of Meyer being slimy, this one doesn't hold water. The kid just wanted to be a Buckeye his while life. You can cite the Mike Weber incident or letting Carlos Hyde back in the team after beating his girlfriend.

 

[Sbee]

I didn't use the word "compliments" when referring to your back handed jibes in the quote that you quoted at all.

I hope Swensen does great at Iowa State.

I got nothing but good feelings for the kid.

I hope whomever replaces him in this year's Michigan recruitment class does even better.

I hope whomever MSU takes - since obviously they, too, as you say, are passing on Swensen - does even better than Swensen - and again, I hope Swensen does great.

Curious as to your take on cutting kids because you find someone better. There are two camps. The first one says fuck it, as long as we can beat MSU and OSU I don't care if a kid gets screwed over. The second one is where you try to defend it, blame the kid, cite a handful of slime balls that do the same stuff, and use faulty logic about kids being able to decommit.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Curious as to your take on cutting kids because you find someone better. There are two camps. The first one says fuck it, as long as we can beat MSU and OSU I don't care if a kid gets screwed over. The second one is where you try to defend it, blame the kid, cite a handful of slime balls that do the same stuff, and use faulty logic about kids being able to decommit.

I almost never post about recruiting.

Because I virtually don't follow it.

I guess I follow it in the context of following it on DSF, when people post about it.

I don't follow it on scouts or rivals or ESPN or anywhere else.

That said...

What occurred in the Swensen recruitment, I have no idea whether a commit (assuming there really was one, which it appears that there was) from a previous coach whom is replaced is considered still standing and ongoing.

I have no idea what the morals/ethics in the situation is supposed to be - check that; I do know that the kid can decommit at any time for any reason right up to signing day.

I don't know what the standards the coach/incoming coach is ethically supposed to be held to.

What I do know is that things change so much so often once a recruit is actually participating on a team that following recruiting on scouts, rivals or ESPN is an unimaginable waste of time compared to watching porn on the internet and masturbating feverently.

Which is what I do, instead of following recruiting.

 

[Spartanmack]

Kid grew up in Ohio, always wanted to go to OSU, didn't get an offer and decided for plan B. He tried to hide it from the staff that he was working out to earn that offer, MD dropped him and took AJ Acuri. That how it went down, his quotes from before show that he wanted that OSU offer and that it was his dream school.

I'm sure you can find better examples of Meyer being slimy, this one doesn't hold water. The kid just wanted to be a Buckeye his while life. You can cite the Mike Weber incident or letting Carlos Hyde back in the team after beating his girlfriend.

or you could read the article and rather than focusing on one instance (that meyer was by no means without blame in - or did Cupp crash Friday Night Lights without an invite?) and making excuses for Meyer and see that your assertion that he really only flipped recruits in his first year and that the recruits really flipped themselves, is completely and totally incorrect.

 

[Sbee]

I almost never post about recruiting.

Because I virtually don't follow it.

I guess I follow it in the context of following it on DSF, when people post about it.

I don't follow it on scouts or rivals or ESPN or anywhere else.

That said...

What occurred in the Swensen recruitment, I have no idea whether a commit (assuming there really was one, which it appears that there was) from a previous coach whom is replaced is considered still standing and ongoing.

I have no idea what the morals/ethics in the situation is supposed to be - check that; I do know that the kid can decommit at any time for any reason right up to signing day.

I don't know what the standards the coach/incoming coach is ethically supposed to be held to.

What I do know is that things change so much so often once a recruit is actually participating on a team that following recruiting on scouts, rivals or ESPN is an unimaginable waste of time compared to watching porn on the internet and masturbating feverently.

Which is what I do, instead of following recruiting.

I guess I didn't consider the third option of claiming ignorance due to excessive jerking off.

 

[Spartanmack]

I guess I didn't consider the third option of claiming ignorance due to excessive jerking off.

define excessive...

 

[Spartanmack]

Nevermind all this nonsense, isn't bagging on Harbaugh for this swenson thing a bit premature? As I said before, there are elements on this board that want to believe the worst about Harbaugh and uofm, but there's only been one side of the story so far. It might be wise to wait until the kid signs and uofm is free to comment if they choose to.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess I didn't consider the third option of claiming ignorance due to excessive jerking off.

You'd know as much about the outcome of recruiting as you already do.

 

[Sbee]

Nevermind all this nonsense, isn't bagging on Harbaugh for this swenson thing a bit premature? As I said before, there are elements on this board that want to believe the worst about Harbaugh and uofm, but there's only been one side of the story so far. It might be wise to wait until the kid signs and uofm is free to comment if they choose to.

It's not just Swenson, it's pushign 5th year guys out, it's hiring coaches and family members of players to 6 figure jobs, it's cutting recruits for performance reasons (if a kid isn't good enough, don't offer him, continue to evaluate). Swenson isn't the only case, there's Rashad Weaver who was told after 7 months of being committed that it was 50/50 that they'd have a spot on him but he could walk on, very similar to the Swenson situation. I don't think all of these kids are making this up, you have Ondre Pipkins saying that Harbaugh was pushing 5th year seniors out of the program if they weren't going to be major contributors. This stuff happens all the time in college football, it's just guys like Miles, Saban, and Petrino doing it. This is the stuff that they'd cry foul over if it was a few years ago but now it's ok since they're so desperate for a championship team. They'll turn a blind eye to anything.

Also, it's no secret that I don't like Michigan but I never accused Carr, RR, or Hoke of any shady practices outside of the Gibbons situation but that reeks of Dave Brandon anyway. I've never accused them of cheating (in football at least), but I simply think the guy is unethical. He'll screw his players and recruits over but he'll win football games, so I guess that's ok now.

 

[Sbee]

or you could read the article and rather than focusing on one instance (that meyer was by no means without blame in - or did Cupp crash Friday Night Lights without an invite?) and making excuses for Meyer and see that your assertion that he really only flipped recruits in his first year and that the recruits really flipped themselves, is completely and totally incorrect.

How do you think we got the Dowell twins? Both were UK commits last year, offering committed kids happens all the time but let's get on Urban Meyer for doing the same thing Dantonio and others have been doing for a while.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's hiring coaches and family members of players to 6 figure jobs...

Get used to it; when your guy Bernie Sanders gets elected, all jobs are going to be six figure jobs, and millionaires and billionaires like you and SpartanMack are the ones who are going to be paying for it...

 

[Spartanmack]

It's not just Swenson, it's pushign 5th year guys out, it's hiring coaches and family members of players to 6 figure jobs, it's cutting recruits for performance reasons (if a kid isn't good enough, don't offer him, continue to evaluate). Swenson isn't the only case, there's Rashad Weaver who was told after 7 months of being committed that it was 50/50 that they'd have a spot on him but he could walk on, very similar to the Swenson situation. I don't think all of these kids are making this up, you have Ondre Pipkins saying that Harbaugh was pushing 5th year seniors out of the program if they weren't going to be major contributors. This stuff happens all the time in college football, it's just guys like Miles, Saban, and Petrino doing it. This is the stuff that they'd cry foul over if it was a few years ago but now it's ok since they're so desperate for a championship team. They'll turn a blind eye to anything.

Also, it's no secret that I don't like Michigan but I never accused Carr, RR, or Hoke of any shady practices outside of the Gibbons situation but that reeks of Dave Brandon anyway. I've never accused them of cheating (in football at least), but I simply think the guy is unethical. He'll screw his players and recruits over but he'll win football games, so I guess that's ok now.

Was Swenson offered by Harbaugh? If not, and he's regressing and not doing what the staff asks of him, should he be on the hook for a kid that doesn't act like he wants to be there? Do you know both sides of the story behind it? It's not just Miles, Petrino and Saban - Urban Meyer does it too plus he has murder suspects and list of arrested players on his roster worse than 90% of the rest of the country.

Everyone on this board wants Izzo to counsel (meaning push) Ellis out or revoke Goins' scholarship next year to free up a scholarship for Jackson. I don't know that you've called for it but don't tell me you wouldn't be happy if he did it - you certainly wouldn't come running here to denounce him for being such a scumbag like you say Harbaugh is for pushing out marginal 5th year guys - Ellis isn't even a fifth year guy next year. Don't be a hypocrite when someone else does it, particularly if they're fifth year guys that aren't putting in the effort.

You never criticized the other uofm coaches for doing anything untoward? Did you have nothing to say about RR and the extra practices? I think you or someone else mentioned it in this or another very recent thread.

Look, you may end up being right and maybe harbaugh screwed this kid, maybe he didn't and maybe he is unethical but even if it's true, he has a long way to catch up to Meyer on the scumbag scale.

 

[Spartanmack]

How do you think we got the Dowell twins? Both were UK commits last year, offering committed kids happens all the time but let's get on Urban Meyer for doing the same thing Dantonio and others have been doing for a while.

whoa dude, you're the one who posted the article blaming Meyer for changing the game in B1G recruiting by breaking the gentlemen's agreement to not flip other teams' commits. And now you're going from "flipping only happened in his first year and it was mostly players who flipped themselves" to trying say I'm the guy who brought it up just because I showed that he's been doing it every year since going to OSU.

 

[Sbee]

whoa dude, you're the one who posted the article blaming Meyer for changing the game in B1G recruiting by breaking the gentlemen's agreement to not flip other teams' commits. And now you're going from "flipping only happened in his first year and it was mostly players who flipped themselves" to trying say I'm the guy who brought it up just because I showed that he's been doing it every year since going to OSU.

Maybe you misunderstood why I posted it, I was pointing out the practice of pulling a kids offer when you find someone better. I'm not too concerned about kids flipping, the kids and coach are both willing participants in that situation. Pulling the scholarship is the coach not living up to his word by honoring the commitment or honoring it as long as nobody better comes along.

Offering committed kids is common practice, the landscape has changed. I'd think it's uncommon to offer firmly committed kids with zero interest.

 

[tinselwolverine]

National signing day is actually a fairly emotional day for me.

It isn't an emotional day for me for any logical reason whatsoever.

Two years ago, it was national signing day the Monday or Tuesday after the Super Bowl, and I was driving from Saline (outside of Ann Arbor) on my way to bury my dear sweet cousin's wife in Merrill.

It was a fucking blizzard that day, and the driving up US 23 and then I 75 was hell

Some dude on Fox Sports...he's a rock and roll drummer and he hammered for the Black Crowes or whomever the fuck else he hammered for was debuting his sports talk show that day...and it was national signing day...he was talking about how entitled national signing day made kids; which I tended to agree with...but I was wondering why the fuck he was talking about national signing day himself...

It was the one year anniversary - or just about - that the fucking cunt who emerged from the same womb as I did - a year and a half or change earlier - made false accusations against me to the police which resulted in my arrest in my own house that I actually owned, and me feeling the need, correctly or incorrectly, to flee from again, my own house that I owned, away from my dying mother's death bead...

And that's why I will always remember right around when national signing day is...

 

[Spartanmack]

National signing day is actually a fairly emotional day for me.

It isn't an emotional day for me for any logical reason whatsoever.

Two years ago, it was national signing day the Monday or Tuesday after the Super Bowl, and I was driving from Saline (outside of Ann Arbor) on my way to bury my dear sweet cousin's wife in Merrill.

It was a fucking blizzard that day, and the driving up US 23 and then I 75 was hell

Some dude on Fox Sports...he's a rock and roll drummer and he hammered for the Black Crowes or whomever the fuck else he hammered for was debuting his sports talk show that day...and it was national signing day...he was talking about how entitled national signing day made kids; which I tended to agree with...but I was wondering why the fuck he was talking about national signing day himself...

It was the one year anniversary - or just about - that the fucking cunt who emerged from the same womb as I did - a year and a half or change earlier - made false accusations against me to the police which resulted in my arrest in my own house that I actually owned, and me feeling the need, correctly or incorrectly, to flee from again, my own house that I owned, away from my dying mother's death bead...

And that's why I will always remember right around when national signing day is...

Now I dislike national signing day even more.

 

[Sbee]

FYI Swenson committed to Oklahoma