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[kdp80]

because it was an attempt to improve a position of need with a developmental player that is seeing time on the field. Leshoure and broyles were horrible picks of positions we didn't need and didn't play. And when they played thy sucked.

Broyles was a bad pick only because he never kicked the injury bug, not because of his skill set

 

[kdp80]

What would you guys have said about the Broyles pick if he didn't get injured in college?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Broyles was a bad pick only because he never kicked the injury bug, not because of his skill set

Partly true. We could have avoided it if we didn't draft him while he was injured.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What would you guys have said about the Broyles pick if he didn't get injured in college?

We'll never know. He was injured. IMO though, I don't think slot receivers are worth 2nd round picks. I thought you could get one a bit further down..that's just me though.

 

[kdp80]

I don't think Broyles would've went in the first 3 rounds honestly. Detroit jumped the gun

 

[mhughes0021]

What would you guys have said about the Broyles pick if he didn't get injured in college?

hated it....ive said the reasons why since day 1 and most of them have nothing to do with him coming off an injury. Even if he was in perfect health....he was a slot WR in this league....slot WRs don't get drafted that high unless you have tavon Austin/harvin type skill sets.....broyles cant sniff what Austin can do. Even if he was in perfect health....he was sitting behind CJ, titus and nate. Even if he played over titus you then wasted your 2nd round pick on titus. Injury after injury has just made the pick go from bad to useless.

 

[LKP]

Slot WR was a need in 2012 and still is and so was a big back. You guys just didn't see them as needs for some reason.

Slay sucking should still be bashed since he keeps getting benched for Mathis and Carey. Slay sucks worse at his position than LeShoure and Broyles did especially in their first year. Broyles and LeShoure produced early(LeShoure took a dive around Thanksgiving), Slay has been getting torched constantly.

Plus LeShoure had alot of short yardage carries that were successful hurting his average. Look at Bell's average this year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Slot WR was a need in 2012 and still is and so was a big back. You guys just didn't see them as needs for some reason.

Slay sucking should still be bashed since he keeps getting benched for Mathis and Carey. Slay sucks worse at his position than LeShoure and Broyles did especially in their first year. Broyles and LeShoure produced early(LeShoure took a dive around Thanksgiving), Slay has been getting torched constantly.

Plus LeShoure had alot of short yardage carries that were successful hurting his average. Look at Bell's average this year.

Personally, I didn't see it as a need at the time because we still had Nate and was going to have him for 2 more years. The injury by Nate notwithstanding because he wasn't hurt until after we drafted him..

Secondly, he was coming into the draft hurt and there was already talk he wouldn't be ready for the season so even if you thought a slot wr was a need, why take this guy?

Lastly, Leshoure didn't do jack his 1st year. He's been a big bad bust.

 

[LKP]

Personally, I didn't see it as a need at the time because we still had Nate and was going to have him for 2 more years. The injury by Nate notwithstanding because he wasn't hurt until after we drafted him..

Secondly, he was coming into the draft hurt and there was already talk he wouldn't be ready for the season so even if you thought a slot wr was a need, why take this guy?

Lastly, Leshoure didn't do jack his 1st year. He's been a big bad bust.

LeShoure did well early. Then took a nose dive in Thanksgiving. 100 yards his first game. That alone is more than Slay.

Slot WR was a need and Broyles was very productive. He hasn't reinjured the same knee. That knee was healthy. Just terrible terrible bad luck with Broyles. He was productive early too unlike Slay.

Slay better get better quick.

 

[mhughes0021]

Slot WR was a need in 2012 and still is and so was a big back. You guys just didn't see them as needs for some reason.

Slay sucking should still be bashed since he keeps getting benched for Mathis and Carey. Slay sucks worse at his position than LeShoure and Broyles did especially in their first year. Broyles and LeShoure produced early(LeShoure took a dive around Thanksgiving), Slay has been getting torched constantly.

Plus LeShoure had alot of short yardage carries that were successful hurting his average. Look at Bell's average this year.

nate started over him in 2012....nate will start over him at slot for the remainder of the time he is a lion. Broyles would have never amounted to anything on this team.

Why should I bash slay for sucking when carey and mathis come in and suck too?

I didn't even want slay to be honest....he was one of those late risers that didn't even do much in college and then poof all of a sudden hes a projected 2nd round pick over his teammate that was actually successful in college. That's risky. But I still thought the pick was worth it at the time cause we needed to address the secondary and he was one of the better options to do that.

If you want to bash the secondary there are much more you can pick on than a rookie playing in a shitty system. Id start with Delmas who is late on 90% of the throws and then instead of actually tackling people he just dives at people with a shoulder pad.

Right now Slay isn't playing very well....but he can develop. Even Patrick Peterson got toasted his rookie year.....a lot. Its not a reason to give up on the kid....especially since no one is playing any better in his place. mathis blows.

Leshoure never showed me anything as a rusher....blame injuries or whatever....but he wasn't dynamic and for being a bigger back had basically zero yards after contact. Kevin Smith can do what he does. Kevin Smith sucked....and so does leshoure.

 

[LKP]

LeShoure had some production early. More than Slay is all I'm saying.

Delmas has had good coverage and tackle wells especially in the open field. Late one play against Dallas but not much to complain about. He has good coverage numbers on PFF to back me up too.

That CB2 spot is the major problem now with Houston getting back to his regular good form. Carey did well yesterday. Mathis and Slay got toasted we'll see how they do against Browns and Sanders this week.

 

[LKP]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14052/year/2012/mikel-leshoure

The guy had some good games until Thanksiving. 100 yards and some receving with a TD, 4.7 YPC, 5.3 YPC, 4.6 YPC, 4.4 YPC with 3 TDs and 4.4 YPC with 1 TD is productive. Then he took a nose dive, and Bell outperformed him this offseason. 6 of his first 8 games were good.

That is more than Slay has done. It's just funny to me that you don't bash Slay more since it was a position of need. Even though big back and slot WR was a need.

 

[mhughes0021]

i don't really understand trying to correlate leshoures lack of production and compare it to slays....leshoure lost his spot to a udfa from wayne state and a rookie special teamer from ND. Aka....he blows. A trained monkey can do what leshoure did for this team and a trained monkey is probably worth more than what leshoure is to this team now. Slay is on the field and has potential....not sure how much more you wanted from a rookie cb that was drafted in the 2nd round. You draft a RB and WR in the 2nd round and the expectation is they should produce. You draft a cb in the second round and the expectation is hes a developmental guy that wasn't good enough to go in the first round....they aren't expected to shine.

So to answer your question.....why am I not murdering slay....its due to expectations....I never expected him to be some sort of savior for this secondary.

 

[tonyballs]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14052/year/2012/mikel-leshoure

The guy had some good games until Thanksiving. 100 yards and some receving with a TD, 4.7 YPC, 5.3 YPC, 4.6 YPC, 4.4 YPC with 3 TDs and 4.4 YPC with 1 TD is productive. Then he took a nose dive, and Bell outperformed him this offseason. 6 of his first 8 games were good.

That is more than Slay has done. It's just funny to me that you don't bash Slay more since it was a position of need. Even though big back and slot WR was a need.

You're wasting your time, man

 

[LKP]

i don't really understand trying to correlate leshoures lack of production and compare it to slays....leshoure lost his spot to a udfa from wayne state and a rookie special teamer from ND. Aka....he blows. A trained monkey can do what leshoure did for this team and a trained monkey is probably worth more than what leshoure is to this team now. Slay is on the field and has potential....not sure how much more you wanted from a rookie cb that was drafted in the 2nd round. You draft a RB and WR in the 2nd round and the expectation is they should produce. You draft a cb in the second round and the expectation is hes a developmental guy that wasn't good enough to go in the first round....they aren't expected to shine.

So to answer your question.....why am I not murdering slay....its due to expectations....I never expected him to be some sort of savior for this secondary.

Leshoure was on the field way more snaps his second year than Slay his rookie year. Over 200 carries bro. 538 snaps missing the first 2 games. And like I SHOWED YOU. Leshoure was productive 6 of his first 8 games. Slay has 2 good games in 9.

Slay is a high 2nd round pick and LeShoure is a late 2nd round pick by the way. Very late using a 3rd/4th to get that EXTRA 2nd.

 

[LKP]

And LOL at you guys giving Slay all the time in the world. I thought 2nd round picks should give you immediate production.

 

[lgolfer]

And LOL at you guys giving Slay all the time in the world. I thought 2nd round picks should give you immediate production.

The learning curve a CB goes through is way more complex than what a RB goes through. A RB just has to see the hole and run. A CB goes from playing mediocre college QBs to playing the best QBs in the world.

Slay has the measurables and skills to be good, so most of us are willing to give him a year as he learns right now. Leshoure has no great measurables or skills and had a much smaller learning curve, so that's why some people bash him instead of Slay.

 

[LKP]

LeShoure has skills. He's strong, can block and get tough yards.

And that hole LeShoure was running too was often not there last year. He is dependent on the Oline alot. LeShoure with the new look Oline would do really well. Slay has the pass rush and the vets around him to help him. But he has mostly failed. You can come in and play CB well.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why do you keep bring up Thanksgiving? He missed the first year completely. He's so bad now he doesn't even dress..That's fact.

 

[LKP]

Why do you keep bring up Thanksgiving? He missed the first year completely. He's so bad now he doesn't even dress..That's fact.

LeShoure's first 6 of 8 games were productive and better than anything Slay ever did so far. He got hurt around Thanksgiving along with all the Lions WRS in 2012. LeShoure still has talent. Bell took his job. Kudos to Bell who is good too. Loaded at RB in Detroit.

And Theo is active due to special teams and Bell is the big back. Not because LeShoure sucks at playing RB.