someone please explain

[zyxt9]

Y this particular tossing out the red flag warrants the UC penalty and also makes the play no longer reviewable. I get that the official rules may state that, what I'm hoping to get as an answer is the logic behind the rule.

Issues I have include the following:

1. In other situations, such as an Inadvertant Whistle causes play to no longer be reviewable, the rules are sportsmanlike. By this I mean the refs pick up the red flag and simply inform the coach that he cannot challenge due to X-Y-Z. No penalty is called vs coach.

2. Why would it magically make a play no longer eligible to be reviewed when, to my understanding, "ALL" touchdowns are reviewed. Worst case then is the play is reviewed and coach gets 15yd UC penalty for throwing flag resulting in ball marked 15 yards downfield from where player was down and Houston has 1st down from there.

How and why, when the goal is to improve the integrity of the game, does BS like this become somehow acceptable?

 

[tonyballs]

I don't get it myself. The whole point of reviewing a play is to "make it right". This couldn't be more wrong. Terrible rule....and a rule that will be revisited and changed next year.

 

[coel73]

They seem to be pretty good at suffering through terrible rules. I don't understand how it wasn't a penalty at the most. Facts are facts, and that call reminds me of court technicalitites which allow murderers to walk. Of course Schwartz should have known better. So the coach is the one that gives up the big play this week lol.

 

[schles192]

Wasn't this the backbone of the infamous hand shake between harbaugh and Schwartz? Didn't harbaugh try to challenge a play that wasn't challengable so Schwartz yelled at him to learn the fucking rules? He knows the rule just a mental mistake by the coach. The rule is bs nothing we can do now and it will be changed for next year. It wouldn't be very sportsmenlike but if Schwartz didn't throw the flag could the Houston coach have thrown one making the play unreveiwable? Seems like the refs are erroring on the side of a td just to get it reviewed, throwing a flag will cost you 15 but who cares if the play stands.

 

[mhughes0021]

I would throw a red flag on every single contreversial touchdown play thats ruled a touchdown. Therefor it cant be reviewed and the play would stand.

 

[tsmith7559]

so the play couldnt be reviewed under the red flag challenge???? man the people in the stands were pissed. Lets just get it right NFL...cost us another game...changed the momentum big time

 

[manchild98]

I can't find anything that explains why this is a good rule. I can see keeping it a 15 yard penalty for throwing a challenge flag when the play is automatically reviewed, but negating the review itself is just stupid. Bottom line is to get rid of the pro replay system and adopt the college system. Have someone in a booth automatically stop the game for a few seconds and then just radio down the decision. It's not pee wee football, stop having coaches throw rags onto the field.

I do think the NFL is going to have an issue now because like many of you here, someone is going to figure out to throw the flag on a TD so it's not reviewable.

 

[tsmith7559]

I can't find anything that explains why this is a good rule. I can see keeping it a 15 yard penalty for throwing a challenge flag when the play is automatically reviewed, but negating the review itself is just stupid. Bottom line is to get rid of the pro replay system and adopt the college system. Have someone in a booth automatically stop the game for a few seconds and then just radio down the decision. It's not pee wee football, stop having coaches throw rags onto the field.

I do think the NFL is going to have an issue now because like many of you here, someone is going to figure out to throw the flag on a TD so it's not reviewable.

hasnt there been challenge flags thrown...ref walks up to the coach and tells them you cant challenge the play...and the game goes on without penalties, etc

 

[manchild98]

hasnt there been challenge flags thrown...ref walks up to the coach and tells them you cant challenge the play...and the game goes on without penalties, etc

Yes. I guess it's no big deal when it's not a play that is automatically reviewed.

 

[JScottWriter]

The whole Harbaugh vs Swartz thing happened because Harbaugh threw the challenge flag after a score. The Niners got a penalty but I didn't know that it became unchallengeable. Bad rule, I can see punishing the team for slowing the game but to punish them twice and not even correct the call is stupid.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

instead of making it not a challenge..they should just take away that one challenge flag an give you the penalty..you want to make the game right...not punish for incorrect calls on the field...even though it was on schwartz...i think we all forget it was still a horrendous call by the refs..he was CLEARLY down..it wasn't even a close one..also...the ball that hit of the one guy on the punt return was wasted...they can all go fuck themselves..

 

[coel73]

The whole Harbaugh vs Swartz thing happened because Harbaugh threw the challenge flag after a score. The Niners got a penalty but I didn't know that it became unchallengeable. Bad rule, I can see punishing the team for slowing the game but to punish them twice and not even correct the call is stupid.

Exactly. It's becoming more about technicalities it seems.

 

[imthetruth]

If the play is automatically reviewed then whats it matter if you throw a challenge flag or not? They should just tell Schwartz to pick it up and leave it at that. There shouldn't be a penalty or anything in my opinion.

 

[imthetruth]

We have the Calvin Johnson rule and now we'll have the challenge flag rule.

 

[cmlfactor]

I understand about throwing the flag being a UC...fine whatever give them the penalty. What I *don't* understand, and will never understand, is how it negates the automatic video review.

A stupid rule. It will be changed next year. Of course that does the Lions absolutely no good. It seems like we always have to get screwed on a call before the league says "oh, maybe we should change that."

Oh well...I'm still just glad we had a chance and didn't get annihilated.

 

[bdtay1971]

This is another instance where the NCAA is so much better than the NFL.

 

[LKP]

We have the Calvin Johnson rule and now we'll have the challenge flag rule.

Calvin rule wasn't changed. They kept it as is.
They did change that scoring plays need to be reviewed automatically because of what happened to the Lions Week 17. They lost a challenge earlier and couldn't challenge the Titus Young TD catch. They change the rule, add in that personal foul for throwing the flag caveat, and it SCREWS the Lions again.

Rule applied correctly but it's a dumb rule. Schwarz "slowing down the game" throwing a flag doesn't change the fact that the refs were going to look at the play again. There is no benefit from slowing down the game if he is looking at in anyway.

 

[manchild98]

The rule will be changed...maybe not in time for this year's playoffs but definitely before next season starts. The slowing the game down argument is stupid because like others have said, the clock stops anyways. No time is wasted if the ref just yells....pick up your challenge flag dumbass....from across the field.

 

[tsmith7559]

why even have challenge flags......put a ref in the both and he can notify the refs on the field immediately he is reviewing a play

 

[mhughes0021]

why even have challenge flags......put a ref in the both and he can notify the refs on the field immediately he is reviewing a play

agreed ...the entire process is dumb. the fact the entire television audience can see a replay and know more than likely what the result of the play should be before the coach even has a challenge flag out shows that the system is flawed. The whole deal with replay is they didnt want it to slow down the game....but the system they put into place is the slowest fucking thing ever lol. Have the ref in the booth look at the same replays we get to see...make the call....shoot it down to the dumbass blind guys on the field.