Stafford gone to rams

[LKP]

Lol you all expected a 3 year rebuild

Now suddenly you demand to win in 2022, highes 2021 lol

I told you would turn on this team for not winning quickly lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lol you all expected a 3 year rebuild

Now suddenly you demand to win in 2022, highes 2021 lol

I told you would turn on this team for not winning quickly lol

Its been a long rebuild already. NFL teams turn it around quickly except us apparently. And now all we have to hope for is "Goff will be gone in 2 years."

 

[johnny2x2x]

2 years no FA 2 years more of being bad guarantee you're all going to want Campbell and Holmes gone after 2022.

This is the first time the Lions have not strived to be mediocre. You’re rebuilding, everyone knows it, and rebuilding teams acquire expiring contracts like Goff’s. 5 first rd picks in the next 3 drafts is great.

And the Rams play in tough division. Some of their best players are on the downside or often injured. These picks aren’t protected, Rams aren’t a shoe in to make the playoffs in either of the next 2 seasons.

Goff gets a 2 year audition. If he reverts back to being a top 8 QB you think about keeping him. Otherwise you move on.

People complaining about cap space need to ask themselves this, in year 1 and 2 of a rebuild do you really want the franchise to be able to spend big on FAs? Of course not, you get the core and then spend when you need just a few big time players to put you over the top.

This is an A+++ trade for the Lions. Blown away by how good it is.

 

[Mitchrapp]

This is the first time the Lions have not strived to be mediocre. You?re rebuilding, everyone knows it, and rebuilding teams acquire expiring contracts like Goff?s. 5 first rd picks in the next 3 drafts is great.

And the Rams play in tough division. Some of their best players are on the downside or often injured. These picks aren?t protected, Rams aren?t a shoe in to make the playoffs in either of the next 2 seasons.

Goff gets a 2 year audition. If he reverts back to being a top 8 QB you think about keeping him. Otherwise you move on.

People complaining about cap space news to ask themselves this, in year 1 and 2 of a rebuild do you really want the franchise to be able to spend big on FAs? Of course not, you get the core and then spend when you need just a few big time players to put you over the top.

This is an A+++ trade for the Lions. Blown away by how good it is.

2 year audition so if he does well we sign him to huge money and then 5 years after we're in the same boat as we are now. Maybe you're okay with sucking for more years, I'm not.

 

[turok]

The bar is lower than in 2018-20...lol.


Lions are essentially in rebuilding mode again, certainly not "improving" on mediocrity.

 

[brewer229]

Overall happy. Didn't want Goff but we likely had to, to get the trade done.

I don't feel like we were one extra 1st round pick away from competing this year, so future picks isn't a bad thing

Rams are in a tough division so we could easily see those as top 20 picks.

 

[turok]

2 year audition so if he does well we sign him to huge money and then 5 years after we're in the same boat as we are now. Maybe you're okay with sucking for more years, I'm not.

Goff's contract is not 2 years, its 4, so why would the Lions need to sign him to "huge money" in late '22 or all of '23?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Goff's contract is not 2 years, its 4, so why would the Lions need to sign him to "huge money" in late '22 or all of '23?

Because in 2 years you can drop him. Guarantee money is off the table. So you resign him, or restructure now, or release his ass after 2022.

 

[johnny2x2x]

People are acting like we had prime Payton Manning as a trade chip. Matthew Stafford is not a top 10 QB in the NFL. More like 12-15. We traded at best the 12th best QB in the NFL for at worst the 20th best QB in the NFL and got 2 firsts and a 3rd. And the cap hit is a negative but it expires.

Stafford didn’t want to be here anymore. It was public. There was talk teams were offering a 2nd and a 3rd for him. We got two firsts and a third and a serviceable QB on an expiring contract. If you don’t think that’s amazing, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[turok]

Because in 2 years you can drop him. Guarantee money is off the table. So you resign him, or restructure now, or release his ass after 2022.

But that doesm't jibe with what you posted before assuming that Goff was performing @ a playoff-winning worthy pace. Until proven otherwise he is going to be a bridge to whoever they draft as his understudy and/or inevitable/eventual replacement.

 

[Mitchrapp]

People are acting like we had prime Payton Manning as a trade chip. Matthew Stafford is not a top 10 QB in the NFL. More like 12-15. We traded at best the 12th best QB in the NFL for at worst the 20th best QB in the NFL and got 2 firsts and a 3rd. And the cap hit is a negative but it expires.

We might think that but others think he is. I've hears lots of "very good, some great, a couple stars, and generational." I rather of had WFT 15th pick.

 

[Mitchrapp]

But that doesm't jibe with what you posted before assuming that Goff was performing @ a playoff-winning worthy pace. Until proven otherwise he is going to be a bridge to whoever they draft as his understudy and/or inevitable/eventual replacement.

Who said what about who?

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

That's the problem with this org. and maybe some of the fan base we always worry about tomorrow rather than today.

Dude did you seriously think we were gonna win a championship next year without Stafford? If not it's just one year in which we were going to suck. Did you think we would win the division or get into the playoffs? Jesus, it's the only way I can understand a statement like this.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Dude did you seriously think we were gonna win a championship next year without Stafford? If not it's just one year in which we were going to suck. Did you think we would win the division or get into the playoffs? Jesus, it's the only way I can understand a statement like this.

My hope futile as it might be was to get a 1st and 2nd/3rd this year for Matt. Draft a QB at 7 or other 1st, draft lots of defense grab a couple of free agents that will help and compete enough so we improve on this season 8-9 wins. But with a young QB.

That was my hope. I'm tired of waiting.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

My hope futile as it might be was to get a 1st and 2nd/3rd this year for Matt. Draft a QB at 7 or other 1st, draft lots of defense grab a couple of free agents that will help and compete enough so we improve on this season 8-9 wins. But with a young QB.

That was my hope. I'm tired of waiting.

Me too man, but the writing was on the wall with the lions. They looked worse than the Jets in games where Stafford sat out. We had no salary cap space available even with a Kenny Golladay extension looming. Realistically I think talent wise this team almost rivaled the 0-16 lions minus Stafford. It wasn?t going to be a one year fix to 8-9 wins. If you want to blame someone blame the fords for not cutting bait with Patricia and Quinn last year. When we actually had the cap space to make changes, they locked us up in a lot of contracts for 2021.

 

[tomdalton22]

Told you Stafford worth more than just a 1st..way way more

By the way..we have qb that has won playoff games and been to a super bowl..you guys wanted that rigjt? Hahahaha

the reasons they got 2 firsts are 1) they are future firsts, not 2021 which are worth less and 2) they have to take on Goff's contract. Taking Goff and his contract off of their hands is part of why they got more future compensation...adding Goff wasn't a positive for the Lions, it's a negative.

That said, I think this is a good trade for the Lions. They need all of the draft capitol they can get. Goff isn't much worse than Matt, just more expensive. He can be a good stopgap while they are building through the draft.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Expect the lions to say Goff is their man going forward as well. Because they know he has to be in the team this upcoming season due to cap reasons. They aren?t gonna trash him while having to keep him and possibly start him lol. It?s like a one year tryout.

 

[detroit1811]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-los-an...-trade-matthew-stafford-two-first-round-picks

They said it perfectly.


The beauty of Holmes being in his first year as the Lions' general manager is that he was willing to take future first-round picks as the main assets in return. General managers are generally less inclined to do so if there’s a mandate to win now, but clearly Holmes has time to turn things around in the Motor City. And in reality, there isn’t a time-value on draft picks. Given that there won’t be an NFL scouting combine in 2021, Holmes acquired picks that will fall in drafts that include players for whom they will have much more knowledge about, both on and off the field.

Also from Dave Birkett

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What Dan Campbell told me early Saturday - "Brad and I, I’m not kidding you, we are looking 2 years out, 3 years out. And so everything to me starts 2 years out and it doesn’t start right now" - rings true w/this Lions rebuild after the Matt Stafford trade

And also this

https://mobile.twitter.com/DetroitOnLion/status/1355850728603004929/photo/1

We are finally doing it the right way and it’s refreshing. Build this team to have future success. Maybe with a little luck we can be good in 2022, but the overall goal is long term.

 

[tomdalton22]

This makes zero sense. Its draft capital. They could easily(and likely) trade 1 of those firsts for a first this year. The value doesn't go down each year.

no, Mitch is right. You won't find a trade partner to give you a first in 2021 for a future first. A first in 2022 is worth a 2021 2nd. But that doesn't matter for the Lions. They need all of the draft capital that they can get, so future firsts are great.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

All of this doesn?t really matter. All that really matters is if the lions can find the right players and bring them on the team and develop and use them properly. If they can?t do that then the plan won?t work. So let?s see what the new guys are made of.