The annual Way to early but not really 2021 Draft Thread!

[LKP]

Stafford was playing really well with Bevell. 400 yard day then 200 yard half. Had the ball once in the 3rd Quarter with nobody open and Amos read the first down play, then led a TD drive and got hurt in the process.

Lions could very much run the table with Stafford dropping 30+ on the Titans, Bucs and Vikings. But we might never see him in a Lions uni again now

Refs blew it again on the Marvin Jones non catch call

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford was playing really well with Bevell. 400 yard day then 200 yard half. Had the ball once in the 3rd Quarter with nobody open and Amos read the first down play, then led a TD drive and got hurt in the process.

Lions could very much run the table with Stafford dropping 30+ on the Titans, Bucs and Vikings. But we might never see him in a Lions uni again now

Refs blew it again on the Marvin Jones non catch call

And the defense is capable of giving up 40+. So Matt was blah with Bevell as OC but as HC, Matt is a super stud? He's 74-87-1 and regardless what anyone thinks of Matt it's the same defense

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford was playing really well with Bevell. 400 yard day then 200 yard half. Had the ball once in the 3rd Quarter with nobody open and Amos read the first down play, then led a TD drive and got hurt in the process.

Lions could very much run the table with Stafford dropping 30+ on the Titans, Bucs and Vikings. But we might never see him in a Lions uni again now

Refs blew it again on the Marvin Jones non catch call

speaking of Marvin Jones and blowing it...didn't your boy miss a WIDE open Marvin Jones earlier in the game. It looked like he could have had at least a 40 yard gain...maybe even taken it to the house.

If "ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas"

In case you never get to see Matt in a Lions uni again. Here are some videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8stft8LYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImUDcA6UfSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-696xX0AY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmjURDQl8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_nc0Nr97e4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9P-AS38ihU

 

[LKP]

There was pressure on that play and the Lions scored plenty given the number of drives they had. Also a QB shouldn't have to make 100 percent of his throws. 70 percent is really good by the way for completion percentage. But your standards are 100 percent or you blame Stafford losses

 

[tomdalton22]

There was pressure on that play and the Lions scored plenty given the number of drives they had. Also a QB shouldn't have to make 100 percent of his throws. 70 percent is really good by the way for completion percentage. But your standards are 100 percent or you blame Stafford losses

70% is really good for an overall completion percentage. Only 4 players this year have completed around 70% of their passes this season (Matt's at 63.9).

That said, completion percentage on plays as wide open as Jones was on that play, should be completed over 95% of the time. A few drops here and there and a few throws that are slightly off. <1% of the time should a ball be that poorly thrown in that situation. Bad college QBs make that throw 9 out of 10

 

[LKP]

70% is really good for an overall completion percentage. Only 4 players this year have completed around 70% of their passes this season (Matt's at 63.9).

That said, completion percentage on plays as wide open as Jones was on that play, should be completed over 95% of the time. A few drops here and there and a few throws that are slightly off. <1% of the time should a ball be that poorly thrown in that situation. Bad college QBs make that throw 9 out of 10

He had to take a step back due to the third string RT getting pushed into him. And he scored twice in second half just like Rodgers did. But the Green Bay got the ball and controlled the clock entire 3rd Quarter. The 3 and out was not Staffords fault. Then more bad defense and suddenly it is 4th Quarter and you are down 14. Stafford responded with Td drive and then should never had got hurt, that was a catch by Jones and refs time and time again cater to Green Bay.

Then a long FG drive and Crosby hits shit he never makes. But by then Stafford is out. And Lions still had a shot. Agnew return finally. Get a FG but Stafford could have got the TD. And the Lions recovered onside but refs blow bullshit penalty again. Then Pack get one more first down and ball game.

Stafford played like a winning QB. Rodgers had an easy game with run support, wide open receiver, not talking one play for Marvin, talking like 80% of his passes were to a wide open game. In 12 years, I have never seen that for Stafford, ever. And that Adams TD should have been a 20 yard gain not an easy TD (bad angle by Harmon and don't know the heck AO was doing)

 

[LKP]

Also Packers were down
1 starter. One. Uno

Lions were down KG, 2 Oline. 3 offense
And 4 on defense Flowers, Trufant, Okudah and Shelton. 5 if you count Griffen

Not even close to remotely being fair. Plus refs on top of that.

But Lions should get a GM/HC the league likes and a media darling QB (randomly annointed BTW) then maybe they'll get bullshit ref calls in their favor.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Also Packers were down
1 starter. One. Uno

Lions were down KG, 2 Oline. 3 offense
And 4 on defense Flowers, Trufant, Okudah and Shelton. 5 if you count Griffen

Not even close to remotely being fair. Plus refs on top of that.

But Lions should get a GM/HC the league likes and a media darling QB (randomly annointed BTW) then maybe they'll get bullshit ref calls in their favor.

Philly lost almost the whole D while playing yesterday vs NO. and won. Jalen Hurts at QB. You always make excuses for Detroit.

 

[tomdalton22]

Philly lost almost the whole D while playing yesterday vs NO. and won. Jalen Hurts at QB. You always make excuses for Detroit.

At least we know one thing will always be true...LKP will make excuse after excuse for the Lions, and especially for his boy Matt. Nothing is ever their fault. They should be 16-0 in the regular season and SB champs every year if not for refs, injuries, wind, drops, conspiracies, voo-doo dolls, flying monkeys, etc...

The only thing that is a bigger joke than the Lions franchise is LKP.

 

[LKP]

Philly lost almost the whole D while playing yesterday vs NO. and won. Jalen Hurts at QB. You always make excuses for Detroit.

Saints had a backup overrated qb. Not a hof qb..lions faced a hof qb

Eagles scored 24 in a win. Lions 24 in loss. Lions missing big names on defense. Packers just their center

 

[biggunsbob]

New Gm, New Coach, clean house. Throw money at Urban Meyer, Bill Cowher, or Tony Dungy.

Trade Stafford to Chucky in the desert and get as many young players and picks as possible. Chucky might bite if they miss the playoffs. We know on thing. Matt and the Lions are missing the playoffs again, I really like Matt but it’s time to move on.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Saints had a backup overrated qb. Not a hof qb..lions faced a hof qb

Eagles scored 24 in a win. Lions 24 in loss. Lions missing big names on defense. Packers just their center

And Philly had Jalen Hurts. And who cares about GB you say the same thing regardless who Detroit is playing.

 

[503]

New Gm, New Coach, clean house. Throw money at Urban Meyer, Bill Cowher, or Tony Dungy.

Trade Stafford to Chucky in the desert and get as many young players and picks as possible. Chucky might bite if they miss the playoffs. We know on thing. Matt and the Lions are missing the playoffs again, I really like Matt but it?s time to move on.

I was thinking offer Flowers to Vegas for whatever. Free us of that cap space.

And here would be the rest of my dream rebuild.

Stafford to whoever is willing to part with 2 1st rounders and some.

Would Cincy bite on a Decker deal? Maybe a package involving picks to move up to #3.

Okudah and a 3rd to Dal for their 1st.

Collins to wherever Patricia lands for a 7th.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I like some things about Matt and if he had a better team around him - but as Bob said. Maybe it time to just say goodbye.

 

[tomdalton22]

I was thinking offer Flowers to Vegas for whatever. Free us of that cap space.

And here would be the rest of my dream rebuild.

Stafford to whoever is willing to part with 2 1st rounders and some.

Would Cincy bite on a Decker deal? Maybe a package involving picks to move up to #3.

Okudah and a 3rd to Dal for their 1st.

Collins to wherever Patricia lands for a 7th.

If they get rid of Matt, they really don't need to free up cap space...but if you can get something for Flowers, you definitely do it. Cincy would be stupid to trade for Decker....well, they would be stupid to give up the #3 pick. The OT from Oregon is supposed to be a stud. I wouldn't give up on Okudah after one year.

I think the main part of a fresh start (I don't like calling it a re-build because that implies that they had something built before) is trading Matt for a good return. I think the best case would be something like a first and 4th this year and maybe a future first or 2nd (depending on the team and where they are selecting this year). Say it's SF, first this year and a 2nd next because they will likely be picking somewhere in the top 12. If it's Indy, probably this year's first, 4th and a future 1st or 2nd because they will be picking late in this year's draft. The Lions need to hope that one of those teams think that Matt is the answer vs. grabbing someone in the draft. Those two teams could be set up for a long run as contenders if they select a good rookie because they really have pretty complete teams already.

So, I feel the ideal "re-build" would be trading Matt to SF for their first, 4th and a future 1st or 2nd. They would then very likely have 2 first round picks in the top 10. Unlike most, I would not trade up to take a QB. If one falls to you around 10 (Wilson is my pick) then take him if you love him. If not, trade back as much and as often as you possibly can with both firsts, but not out of the first. Try to come away with 2 later round firsts and 3 seconds when all said and done. That is 5 players that could be long term starters. Build a team that can help support a young QB that you may take this year or next.

 

[LKP]

And Philly had Jalen Hurts. And who cares about GB you say the same thing regardless who Detroit is playing.

Green Bay was healthy with a HOF QB. Saints were missing their QB. How can you not the see the difference?

 

[LKP]

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020...tafford-detroit-lions-end-of-career-too-early

May be dumb to trade Stafford and hamstring the new GM with just a rookie/huge QB hole

 

[tomdalton22]

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020...tafford-detroit-lions-end-of-career-too-early

May be dumb to trade Stafford and hamstring the new GM with just a rookie/huge QB hole

If you aren't planning on giving Matt another contract, then you trade him now. Start from scratch. They are going to be bad to mediocre for the next two years anyway. If you want to draft someone and let them sit behind a vet, just grab a vet off the scrap heap. Any one of these could start and lead the Lions to 5-7 wins, just like the current QB has done.

Mitch
Jimmy G (probably getting released)
Fitz
Tyrod Taylor
Dalton
Cam
Flacco
Glennon
Winston
Nick Mullins
Kyle Allen

 

[LKP]

If you aren't planning on giving Matt another contract, then you trade him now. Start from scratch. They are going to be bad to mediocre for the next two years anyway. If you want to draft someone and let them sit behind a vet, just grab a vet off the scrap heap. Any one of these could start and lead the Lions to 5-7 wins, just like the current QB has done.

Mitch
Jimmy G (probably getting released)
Fitz
Tyrod Taylor
Dalton
Cam
Flacco
Glennon
Winston
Nick Mullins
Kyle Allen

Nope. Lions would probably have zero wins. Those QBs without a run game, no defense and no WR separation, plus drops and 7 Prater misses, 0 wins for any of them. None. But whatever, 0 and 5-7 are same missed playoff result but way less fun to watch. And then doubt creeps in for the new GM and HC if you have only 0-3 wins

Quinn had around 40 million in cap space and added 10 new starters plus resign a slot WR and added depth. The new GM can add 10 new starters too this year plus depth with the right cuts and add better players (with some speed and ability to win with speed not just bull rush)

Flowers, Hand, maybe Collins, Walker, AO, Okudah, maybe Coleman are good enough to return. Then focus on fixing the rest of defense (5 starters needed plus depth), one Oline spot (Crosby/Vaitai battle for other spot) and 3 WR starters and a power back needed (like always).

Swift and KJ and Hock and Stafford can stay. Plus Ragnow, Decker, Jonah Jackson, Vaitai/Crosby/Stenberg on the Oline. Dump Daniels and draft a QB

 

[LKP]

Also if we get a rookie QB
He will face in 2021
NFC North (Vikings get Hunter/Barr/Pierce back, Packers and maybe Bears fix their offense finally)
NFC West and AFC North (yikes)
And then the 4th place teams from East (which could be Eagle or Cowboys who return to form) and NFC South (Panthers who blanked us, or Falcons)

That just isn't throwing to wolves. That is wolves, komodo dragons, shark with frickin laser beams