The annual Way to early but not really 2021 Draft Thread!

[tomdalton22]

Or keep Stafford
get a new HC/coaches with a good creative scheme on both sides of the ball
Add 10 new starters on defense/WR/Oline with 40-45 million they will have after cuts even with keeping Stafford via FA/draft/trades

Or 9 new starters and take a QB in Round 1 (Wilson or Lance or Trask) but keep Stafford too to actually start in 2021

And be in position for 9-11 wins in 2021. Though a really tough schedule (NFC North, AFC North, NFC West, home Eagles or Cowboys, at Panthers or Falcons)

And then if Stafford is good but team fails, then you trade him next offseason and help for building around that QB

But if a GM wants a complete fresh start now and create a hole at QB so be it. Depends on the haul we get for Stafford. Two 1sts at least or no deal

so, 10 new starters with $40-45M to spend. Not sure that is going to get much in terms of "impact" players, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Because the way I see it, that side of the ball doesn't have a single one.

They need a #1 and #2 WR
probably 2 starting OL
2 or 3 LBs
3 defensive linemen
upgrades at depth throughout the team.

If the are REALLY lucky, they can fill 3 of the starters in the draft, but will they be any better than what they have going out?

I don't see a jump to 9-11 wins with the core of players that will be kept. Basically, every player they bring in will have to be better than the players that they are keeping...not better than the ones they are replacing. Because the players they are keeping, especially on the defensive side of the ball, aren't very good.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe we can get a HC that can coach them up a bit. Make the bad players average and the average players good.

 

[tomdalton22]

Maybe we can get a HC that can coach them up a bit. Make the bad players average and the average players good.

typically, it isn't the head coach that "coaches up" the players, it's the position coaches. But I do agree, better coaching can improve a player's performance.

 

[mhughes0021]

Lol did someone just say any of those quarterbacks would lead the lions to 5-7 wins just as Matt has? Did anyone forget that we were WINLESS without Matthew Stanford last year? If it?s time to move on then fine, he?s getting up in age anyways. Probably only has one more run in him with a new coach anyways. But don?t forget he hasn?t even had kenny golladay for nearly the entire season and still hasn?t been too bad. I wouldn?t say it?s his best year, but all things considering he would have been better if he at least had a legit number 1 receiver. Dalton though? Has led a much more talented Dallas offense to less wins. Not really comparable.

Golladays 3 jump ball catches a game arent going to help anyone.

Another guy that isnt worth a big time contract imo.

 

[mhughes0021]

Chargers win. They now have 5 on the year. Rookie qb. Tied with shitty Stafford.

 

[tomdalton22]

Chargers win. They now have 5 on the year. Rookie qb. Tied with shitty Stafford.

I wonder if they wish they had taken Herbert vs. Okudah

 

[Mitchrapp]

Looking back at the 2020 draft and all the CB drafted round 1 none of them have done a thing.

 

[tomdalton22]

Looking back at the 2020 draft and all the CB drafted round 1 none of them have done a thing.

I think CBs might be the most difficult transition from college to the NFL. That might be a reason to not draft them so high. They typically don't really contribute much the first year.

I still think Okudah will be a good NFL player. I think he was a 5 star coming out of HS, he was great at OSU. The Lions just don't get any pressure on the QB...he has to cover for 5 seconds which is basically impossible.

 

[LKP]

No pressure by Dline, several injuries for Okudah too. A groin injury never mentioned on the report but now he is having surgery on. That can affect coverage. Okudah was good in run defense.

Okudah will have his shot to progress next year

 

[tomdalton22]

No pressure by Dline, several injuries for Okudah too. A groin injury never mentioned on the report but now he is having surgery on. That can affect coverage. Okudah was good in run defense.

Okudah will have his shot to progress next year

OSU CBs are typically very good against the run, and typically, good tacklers.

I do think that he will be a good CB. I just think #3 was too high.

 

[LKP]

OSU CBs are typically very good against the run, and typically, good tacklers.

I do think that he will be a good CB. I just think #3 was too high.

Yep unless all world CB its tough. Hope he becomes that he has the work ethic and the talent. Its disappointing of course rookie year given the bad pass defense but Slay was bad too his rookie year. There is hope, he's still on a cheap contract and let's see if can get him a pass rush and new DB/DC coaches too.

Would have been too early for Simmons and Brown too and Stafford coming off monster good 2019 took QB out of the picture. And we don't know what trades were or weren't offered.

And people would be bitching we didn't take defense if we took a QB. Okudah didn't change anything in hindsight but who knows what he would have done on a team with pass rush.

Also we probably wouldn't know Herbert and Tua is good if he sat behind Stafford. Finally Chase Daniel's big contract would look even worse if they took a QB

Sometimes it circumstances that screw the Lions. A coach loving solid QB Jeff Garcia (Mooch) in FA causing us to pass on Aaron Rodgers. Not to mention already having a failed Tedford QB on the roster with Harrington even further passing on Rodgers. A 10 sack season from James Hall passing on Demarcus Ware for Mike Williams (plus failed Charlie Rogers). One thing leads to another and you pass on guys. Always got to look at circumstances.

 

[dubbsco]

Yep unless all world CB its tough. Hope he becomes that he has the work ethic and the talent. Its disappointing of course rookie year given the bad pass defense but Slay was bad too his rookie year. There is hope, he's still on a cheap contract and let's see if can get him a pass rush and new DB/DC coaches too.

Would have been too early for Simmons and Brown too and Stafford coming off monster good 2019 took QB out of the picture. And we don't know what trades were or weren't offered.

And people would be bitching we didn't take defense if we took a QB. Okudah didn't change anything in hindsight but who knows what he would have done on a team with pass rush.

Also we probably wouldn't know Herbert and Tua is good if he sat behind Stafford. Finally Chase Daniel's big contract would look even worse if they took a QB

Sometimes it circumstances that screw the Lions. A coach loving solid QB Jeff Garcia (Mooch) in FA causing us to pass on Aaron Rodgers. Not to mention already having a failed Tedford QB on the roster with Harrington even further passing on Rodgers. A 10 sack season from James Hall passing on Demarcus Ware for Mike Williams (plus failed Charlie Rogers). One thing leads to another and you pass on guys. Always got to look at circumstances.

No, you don't have to look at circumstances. Don't give a shit about excuses. If this was one or two years of bad luck, sure. Circumstances don't mean dick when they haven't made a Super Bowl in the franchise's existence.

 

[LKP]

No, you don't have to look at circumstances. Don't give a shit about excuses. If this was one or two years of bad luck, sure. Circumstances don't mean dick when they haven't made a Super Bowl in the franchise's existence.

LOL. There is a reason why everything happens for each GM/HC.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...arterback-when-it-is-best-decision-for-lions/

And they still really like Stafford. We'll see what the new GM does

Wasn't the time to draft a QB in 2020. And team really needed defense badly. So they went corner. And we'll see who is better in the long term. Stafford can play for the Lions for the next five seasons based on his age and talent.

A GM one of these days needs to build a good team for him. Mayhew did but only came together in 2014 but only one year due to contracts and injury. The DT contracts expired and Levy had basically a career ender and Lombardi exposed as terrible OC along with Oline coach in 2015.

Leads to the Quinn era. Solid start in 2016/2017 but then Patricia wrecked it with man scheme, no adjustments, little blitzing, and conservative bullshit. Plus the culture wrecked in 2018.

Doesn't mean we can't find the right formula. We'll see if Stafford apart of it.

Miami leads the league in turnovers forced. That helps Mr Tua big time. Dolphins have a defense to win games.

Chargers have some weapons in Ekeler, Keenan Allen just a great slot, YAC and separation WR and Mike Williams 1st rounder and Hunter Henry. Chargers a little better rushing yards per game Protection a bit worse though. Who knows how Herbert would have done without KG, less run game and a more difficult schedule for the Lions. And again would be sitting behind Stafford and may never have found out. Plus no Okudah for the future. There is some hope at CB still if a pass rush is found.

Tua and Herbert could be 0-13 Lions right now and shattered confidence for them.

 

[mhughes0021]

LOL. There is a reason why everything happens for each GM/HC.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...arterback-when-it-is-best-decision-for-lions/

And they still really like Stafford. We'll see what the new GM does

Wasn't the time to draft a QB in 2020. And team really needed defense badly. So they went corner. And we'll see who is better in the long term. Stafford can play for the Lions for the next five seasons based on his age and talent.

A GM one of these days needs to build a good team for him. Mayhew did but only came together in 2014 but only one year due to contracts and injury. The DT contracts expired and Levy had basically a career ender and Lombardi exposed as terrible OC along with Oline coach in 2015.

Leads to the Quinn era. Solid start in 2016/2017 but then Patricia wrecked it with man scheme, no adjustments, little blitzing, and conservative bullshit. Plus the culture wrecked in 2018.

Doesn't mean we can't find the right formula. We'll see if Stafford apart of it.

Miami leads the league in turnovers forced. That helps Mr Tua big time. Dolphins have a defense to win games.

Chargers have some weapons in Ekeler, Keenan Allen just a great slot, YAC and separation WR and Mike Williams 1st rounder and Hunter Henry. Chargers a little better rushing yards per game Protection a bit worse though. Who knows how Herbert would have done without KG, less run game and a more difficult schedule for the Lions. And again would be sitting behind Stafford and may never have found out. Plus no Okudah for the future. There is some hope at CB still if a pass rush is found.

Tua and Herbert could be 0-13 Lions right now and shattered confidence for them.

Real GMs are always planning for their teams future....no matter the circumstance. You suck bad enough to pick in the top 3....QB, Stud pass rushers and crazy good OTs is where the value is. Its all about a qb, protecting our qb, or getting to your qb. We picked a guy that was 6 yards behind on a go route and 4 yards behind on a 7 yard slant...in the same game.

Not planning for the future was part of what made Quin so terrible.

 

[LKP]

Real GMs are always planning for their teams future....no matter the circumstance. You suck bad enough to pick in the top 3....QB, Stud pass rushers and crazy good OTs is where the value is. Its all about a qb, protecting our qb, or getting to your qb. We picked a guy that was 6 yards behind on a go route and 4 yards behind on a 7 yard slant...in the same game.

Not planning for the future was part of what made Quin so terrible.

CB was a need and a future need. Stafford had 3 years left on deal going into this year and could probably play 2 more years on top of that. Stafford is the future. Tua and Herbert is a shitter future given what would surround him on the Lions. And CB would be an even bigger massive problem. Okudah and AO can get it done with a pass rush.

No pass rushers up there available. No need at tackle for now or future with Decker and Vaitai signed. And like I said Stafford 3 years left and 2 more and coming off a monster 2019

 

[tomdalton22]

CB was a need and a future need. Stafford had 3 years left on deal going into this year and could probably play 2 more years on top of that. Stafford is the future. Tua and Herbert is a shitter future given what would surround him on the Lions. And CB would be an even bigger massive problem. Okudah and AO can get it done with a pass rush.

No pass rushers up there available. No need at tackle for now or future with Decker and Vaitai signed. And like I said Stafford 3 years left and 2 more and coming off a monster 2019

or, they could have traded Stafford for picks last year, draft Herbert, and build a team around a young, cheap, franchise QB. They would be going into this draft in a better situation. They might have had the #2 pick which would be a great spot to trade down from.

That's a good plan. Of course, with Quin and fatty, they wouldn't have done that because they were on their last chance. Now, the Lions are much worse off. Those two idiots should have been fired after last season.

 

[LKP]

or, they could have traded Stafford for picks last year, draft Herbert, and build a team around a young, cheap, franchise QB. They would be going into this draft in a better situation. They might have had the #2 pick which would be a great spot to trade down from.

That's a good plan. Of course, with Quin and fatty, they wouldn't have done that because they were on their last chance. Now, the Lions are much worse off. Those two idiots should have been fired after last season.

A coach/GM in his 3rd year with a playoff ultimatum is not going to do that there PARDS. Again. know the circumstances

You little armchair GMs are real cute though

And the thing is. STAFFORD IS BETTER THAN HERBRERT by far. No matter what the QB ratings say

Herbert on the Lions with these injuries/lack of run game/lack of defense has a -60 QB rating

Also do you really want Quinn making those selections since you hate him so much. Trade last year means Quinn makes the choices. More Tavai and Will Harris type picks with those extra picks.

Now a new GM makes the decision. And the new GM makes the selections if he gets extra picks.

Not to mention the way more dead cap money Stafford had this year compared to next year. Cap considerations too

 

[tomdalton22]

A coach/GM in his 3rd year with a playoff ultimatum is not going to do that there PARDS. Again. know the circumstances

You little armchair GMs are real cute though

note, I said they should have been fired after last year...before they had a chance to ruin the draft and the Lions future.

 

[LKP]

note, I said they should have been fired after last year...before they had a chance to ruin the draft and the Lions future.

No they shouldn't have. It was an unknown year due to Staffords injury and real promise that first half. Not to mention coaching/GM financial decisions too. And they were debating hard on keeping Quinn even this year. Zero chance they fire Quinn last year. Paticia had a higher probability though.

And again. Stafford best option by far
Cap implications
Coaching money implications
Quinn would never have been fired last year
CB a future need too and Stafford can play five more years here at least.

And Tua fucking sucks. They game manage him so much with dink and dunks. injury prone guy too

 

[tomdalton22]

No they shouldn't have. It was an unknown year due to Staffords injury and real promise that first half. Not to mention coaching/GM financial decisions too. And they were debating hard on keeping Quinn even this year. Zero chance they fire Quinn last year. Paticia had a higher probability though.

And again. Stafford best option by far
Cap implications
Coaching money implications
Quinn would never have been fired last year
CB a future need too and Stafford can play five more years here at least.

And Tua fucking sucks. They game manage him so much with dink and dunks. injury prone guy too

wait, you say Matt had a MONSTER 2019. Wouldn't any team with the need for a QB want to give up the farm for such an elite QB?

well, maybe not. Seems like maybe he's injury prone as well.

I kind of hope they keep Matt and he continues to lead this team nowhere...just for the entertainment I get on this board.