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[inkfreq]

Jason LaCanfora said that the Lions main target in the first was WR Nelson Agholor...glad he was gone!


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Wouldn't surprise me really, considering he was moving up the boards quite a bit this last week. Teams are high on the kid, I'm just not.

Like I said last night, each team only brings a handful of jerseys with names on them to the draft. Not sure why, I guess that's just "the way it's done".

Saw a thing on it last year with Belichick talking about how each team has 5 to 6 jersey's made up ahead of time with the names of their likely picks, which is why some guys just hold a jersey with a number one on it, and others have their names. He said often a guy falls you didn't expect to grab, and you just didn't have his name on a jersey for the event.

Thomlinson held up a jersey with his name on it last night, so that tells me he was one of the 5 to 6 likely picks for the Lions. They apparently felt he was a first round kid and was one of their top targets, barring a free fall from another player.

Agholor may have been one of the others they were expecting to be in that range as well.

 

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Everything I said is true. It wouldn't hurt to take a DT though. So people might get their wish.

We'll see how the board falls out. Lots of good DTs, CBs and RBs left.

I personally didn't see enough of Reid last season to think he's ready to start. Walker is, that much I know.

The editor of his home town paper in New Iberia, LA. is a good friend of mine, and he's told me this kid is the real deal. Watched him since high school, and of course with the Saints, and he was surprised they let him walk when he's been groomed and is ready to start.

This guy know his football (who from Louisiana doesn't) and I trust his opinion. He was livid we signed Walker, which is a good sign for us.

 

[grandy]

They can't go wrong with almost any position on defense.

I'm fine with anything that ensures:
- They have a plan for DT in the future
- Cassius Vaughn isn't playing in a playoff game

 

[boogerlovejoy]

they can't go wrong with almost any position on defense.

I'm fine with anything that ensures:
- they have a plan for dt in the future
- cassius vaughn isn't playing in honolulu blue

fify

 

[LKP]

I personally didn't see enough of Reid last season to think he's ready to start. Walker is, that much I know.

The editor of his home town paper in New Iberia, LA. is a good friend of mine, and he's told me this kid is the real deal. Watched him since high school, and of course with the Saints, and he was surprised they let him walk when he's been groomed and is ready to start.

This guy know his football (who from Louisiana doesn't) and I trust his opinion. He was livid we signed Walker, which is a good sign for us.

Ngata and Walker are clearly the starters. Reid has the talent, intelligence and motor to be a good rotational guy. Lots of mid round picks have a year when you don't expect them to do anything because they never played and then they come in and do well. It's why you pick them in the first place and then develop them.

Walker did well last year in 300 snaps. He's versatile, got good pressure in limited snaps, has a good motor and can play the run. He could very well be a steal. Fairley missed half the year, so compared to Mosley starting, Walker is clealry an upgrade. Mosley is run defense only guy.

 

[brewer229]

I personally didn't see enough of Reid last season to think he's ready to start. Walker is, that much I know.

The editor of his home town paper in New Iberia, LA. is a good friend of mine, and he's told me this kid is the real deal. Watched him since high school, and of course with the Saints, and he was surprised they let him walk when he's been groomed and is ready to start.

This guy know his football (who from Louisiana doesn't) and I trust his opinion. He was livid we signed Walker, which is a good sign for us.

No saying it isn't true, but being the hometown guy could cause him to over value. We see it often on this board, people view with their emotions.

I'm sure he was absolutely a beast in High School, anyone who makes the NFL essentially was by far the best player in their home town.

It's possible we just picked up the NFL's best kept secret for cheap in Free Agency. I saw the Saints a few times last year, Lions game, Monday Night games, and that player never once stood out.

Can anyone confirm he actually received snaps against the Lions?

 

[LKP]

Usually when the home team loses a player, they talk bad about said player. This guy was talking him up.

PFF graded him well. They are independent. Lots of experts said he could be a good steal too.

 

[brewer229]

Usually when the home team loses a player, they talk bad about said player. This guy was talking him up.

PFF graded him well. They are independent. Lots of experts said he could be a good steal too.

I'm so confused on your stance on PFF grades. They mean everything and nothing at the same time.

Only people who talk bad about player leaving are losers that can only see jersey color and don't understand the game.

Yes he COULD turn out to be good, but he could turn out to be nothing more than a backup/average rotation guy. Still weaker at the DT position and D-line as a whole this year than last year.

 

[brewer229]

ESPN updated mock has us taking:

54. Detroit Lions: Carl Davis, DT, Iowa

Detroit traded for Haloti Ngata this offseason but he is slated to be a free agent after this season. Davis brings good value and upside here and adds needed depth after losing Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley via free agency.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/in...ting-all-32-second-round-picks-2015-nfl-draft

 

[LKP]

I'm so confused on your stance on PFF grades. They mean everything and nothing at the same time.

Only people who talk bad about player leaving are losers that can only see jersey color and don't understand the game.

Yes he COULD turn out to be good, but he could turn out to be nothing more than a backup/average rotation guy. Still weaker at the DT position and D-line as a whole this year than last year.

Ngata is an all pro and very underrated in pass rush by everyone here. Better in run defense than Suh no quesiton. Walker is better than Mosley. Fairley missed half the year. Someone playing 16 >Fairley. And Reid year 2 is better than rookie Reid. I think we are about the same at DT even if Ngata is the slightest of slight downgrades from Suh. We are talking about an all pro in Ngata.

If we get a Round 2 or 3 DT. Then we could be better than last year.

 

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No saying it isn't true, but being the hometown guy could cause him to over value. We see it often on this board, people view with their emotions.

I'm sure he was absolutely a beast in High School, anyone who makes the NFL essentially was by far the best player in their home town.

It's possible we just picked up the NFL's best kept secret for cheap in Free Agency. I saw the Saints a few times last year, Lions game, Monday Night games, and that player never once stood out.

Can anyone confirm he actually received snaps against the Lions?

You'd have to know this guy man. He's not a "sports writer" he's a true journalist. Bias isn't even part of Jeff's language.

If the guy was crap, he'd say he was crap. If the guy was a god, he'd say so too.

Being from Arizona, we had a young catcher in our minor league system named Stryker Trahan, who was also from the New Iberia area. Jeff flat out told me the kid had power, but would never make the majors, even after a first round pick.

He called this kid out on every flaw in his game, and was dead on the money. He's not only not a "home town homer", he knows his sports pretty darned well.

If he's high on Walker, I have every reason to believe there is a valid reason for it.

 

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Ngata is an all pro and very underrated in pass rush by everyone here. Better in run defense than Suh no quesiton. Walker is better than Mosley. Fairley missed half the year. Someone playing 16 >Fairley. And Reid year 2 is better than rookie Reid. I think we are about the same at DT even if Ngata is the slightest of slight downgrades from Suh. We are talking about an all pro in Ngata.

If we get a Round 2 or 3 DT. Then we could be better than last year.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't really impressed with Fairley last year before the injury. Yes, he was clearly head and shoulders above Fairley of the past, but he wasn't what I thought was a great DT even lining up with Suh on one side and Ansah on the other.

And I think if we had resigned him, he'd be the Fairley of years past again, with the contract he wanted (Rams overpaid by a large margin in my book) and content to be fat and happy a few more years.

I'd prefer letting him go be someone else's headache, and bringing in a guy who can play, and we did that.

 

[LKP]

And PFF I put more weight in DTs, LBS, OTS , WRs and DBs. You either beat your guy or you don't and it's easy to see. PFF is independent though. No quesiton about that.

QB for PFF is really tough to judge based on pressure, down and distance, guys getting open etc. Way more factors for a QB than other positions. 2013 Stafford was top 5 passing per PFF. You guys didn't accept that here when I told you that. But you accept his 2014 grade with open arms. You want to see him criticized.

 

[grandy]

Completely unrelated, but I wonder how much PFF changed in a year. They seem to be adding new metrics quite frequently. PFF is still somewhat fresh, no doubt they're learning and growing with each set of new data. A grade one year might not necessarily be comparable to a grade the next year.

Exciting time to be a fan of football stats, was nothing like this 5-10 years ago.

 

[LKP]

By the way. PFF had college football grades this year.

Tomlinson was best pass pro in all of college football and 8th in run blocking.

Tomlinson hasn't given up a sack in 2 years and only 4 hurries this year.

 

[brewer229]

What does PFF have for Ngata? Suh?

 

[jdeb]

I would draft a CB. Alex Carter would work.

 

[LKP]

I would draft a CB. Alex Carter would work.

I'd go Darby, PJ Williams or Quentin Rollins. But I like Carter.

 

[LKP]

What does PFF have for Ngata? Suh?

Different positions. 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT.

How many years do you want.

 

[brewer229]

Different positions. 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT.

How many years do you want.

Two years, just curious about recent history.

That is part of the reason why I don't see Ngata as at Suh's level, he wasn't playing 4-3DT. I just don't see him transitioning and being at that level. Still good, but we are comparing him to the best.

Also, no need to answer if you don't want, what do you pay for PFF access? I see them advertise on their site from time to time, $30 a year for total access sale (not their fantasy football thing), then I click on it and the only option is $4.99 a month. It just annoys me and I refuse to sign up.