The Official "The Ga][V][e" Ga][V][e Thread

[sggatecl]

Fun fact: The line judge, Bobby Sagers, is from Cincinnati and is in the Ohio High School hall of fame for officiating.

He was also the referee that ruled from 15+ yards away, on the blind side of the football, that Darboh didn't make his catch along the sidelines of the 26-24 Rutgers loss in 2014. He overruled another referee that was <5 yards away, leading to a 4th down 56 yard FG attempt that was subsequently blocked ending the game.

Coincidentally, Kevin Schwarzel has been banned from officiating the Michigan/OSU game in the past because he is from Ohio but this season was allowed to.

This is fun!

 

[Mawilli]

Fun fact: The line judge, Bobby Sagers, is from Cincinnati and is in the Ohio High School hall of fame for officiating.

He was also the referee that ruled from 15+ yards away, on the blind side of the football, that Darboh didn't make his catch along the sidelines of the 26-24 Rutgers loss in 2014. He overruled another referee that was <5 yards away, leading to a 4th down 56 yard FG attempt that was subsequently blocked ending the game.

Coincidentally, Kevin Schwarzel has been banned from officiating the Michigan/OSU game in the past because he is from Ohio but this season was allowed to.

This is fun!

You left out the other ref named Daniel Capron. Who was fired by the big ten in 2002 for poor officiating. This can't be real life. It's all a bad dream.

 

[dubbsco]

I was honestly thinking about this while I was walking the dog. If I found out about that stuff before/during the game, I'd call Delany and Uncle Urban over and let them know that our team (Michigan) will not be taking the field until you have a non-biased, professional crew.

It's pathetic.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...y-destination-michigan-cfp-longshot/94515158/
Orange Bowl likely destination for UM; playoff a long shot.
Detnews

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...7/michigan-falls-sixth-coaches-poll/94513664/
Michigan fifth, WMU 13th in AP poll.
Detnews

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ichigan-doesnt-deserve-playoff-spot/94512268/
FF Charboneau's AP vote: Michigan doesn?t deserve playoff spot.
Detnews

http://www.maizenbrew.com/football/...range-bowl-rose-bowl-college-football-playoff
Bowl Projections: Where they have Michigan after the OSU loss.
The postseason picture is becoming clearer.
Maize N Brew

http://www.maizenbrew.com/2016/11/2...state-clemson-washington-wolverines-wisconsin
Michigan falls to No. 5 in AP Poll, No. 6 in Coaches Poll.
Maize N Brew

 

[mhughes0021]

Give me a wmu v michigan bowl game. Atleast the broncos are undefeated in b1g play! Mwahahaha!

 

[rumseyhouse77]

Rarely do you deserve to win when your kicker was the best player on the field. The 2nd half was embarrassing. None of you gave us a chance in ot when you read the thread. That 4th down call just gave us something different to bitch about.

That is just the last call and everyone is focusing on it. Perhaps more egregious was the no PI call on the OSU defender who clearly had hooked Perry's arm which would have given Michigan 1st and 10 inside the 10yd line in the 2nd OT. Not to mention the no call when Darboh was thrown to the ground in the first quarter, or the call of PI in the 4th quarter when the ball was clearly uncatchable but gave OSU a 1st down and allowed them to continue to move the ball into field goal range to tie the game, or the repeated failure to call holding by the OSU offensive line that was clearly seen on TV to the point that I could call out the number of the OSU offensive linemen who were committing the infractions. All of these calls favored OSU over Michigan.

 

[Michlady]

Fun fact: The line judge, Bobby Sagers, is from Cincinnati and is in the Ohio High School hall of fame for officiating.

He was also the referee that ruled from 15+ yards away, on the blind side of the football, that Darboh didn't make his catch along the sidelines of the 26-24 Rutgers loss in 2014. He overruled another referee that was <5 yards away, leading to a 4th down 56 yard FG attempt that was subsequently blocked ending the game.

Coincidentally, Kevin Schwarzel has been banned from officiating the Michigan/OSU game in the past because he is from Ohio but this season was allowed to.

This is fun!

While it raises eyebrows do remember when paterno made similar remarks in a psu/mich game as head of officials lives in Ann Arbor and another official was in Michigan

I do question the wisdom of some of the crew choices given potential biases

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../11/27/michigan-football-ohio-state/94523402/
Michigan football: What we learned from loss to OSU, what to watch for.
Freep

 

[sggatecl]

While it raises eyebrows do remember when paterno made similar remarks in a psu/mich game as head of officials lives in Ann Arbor and another official was in Michigan

I do question the wisdom of some of the crew choices given potential biases

He had just as valid a point most likely. I'm sure it's mostly logistics but there is too much at stake for the B1G to just take the cheap/easy route.

 

[Michchamp]

You left out the other ref named Daniel Capron. Who was fired by the big ten in 2002 for poor officiating. This can't be real life. It's all a bad dream.

as far as I can tell, only mgostupid is reporting this fact, and I'm not sure where they're getting their info.

it looks like Dan Capron has reffed Big Ten and bowl games since 2002... a quick search of "Dan Capron referee" shows a 2012 Wisconsin game, 2015 bowl
game, 2014 Minnesota game... and thats just in the first couple pages of results.

he's also a partner at a small worker's comp firm in Chicago, and FWIW, is in good standing with the state bar. he went to UI, and IU for law school, according to linkedin.

The other choices for the game are... questionable for sure. But if we're going to bitch about referee bias we'd better get our facts straight. maybe he was fired in '02, but reinstated? if he's reffed games without incident since them, seems less egregious. not sure where/why you get guys from ohio to fill out the crew.

I'm still not over this loss though. It fucking sucks. It hurt. complaining about it (even if its only to myself, quietly) isn't helping me move on.

 

[Michchamp]

I'm curious how the Big Ten selects crews for this kind of thing.

I'm guessing we'd be surprised how shoddy their compliance practices are.

checking guys for conflicts of interest has to be an ongoing process, because circumstances change over time, and I feel reasonably safe assuming there's constant pressure from the shadier elements of the sports gambling community to attempt to influence the outcome of games.

 

[Michchamp]

as recently as 2007 they had issues with this... and the Buckeyes were on the losing end of it at the time; questionable calls in their home loss to UI that year, by a ref - Stephen Pamon - who filed bankruptcy in 2002 due to huge gambling debts. same guy was also charged with child abuse for beating his then girlfriend's sons, molesting his niece, and was fired from the Chicago PD for sexually harassing two female coworkers.

according to this article, the Big Ten cares, but not really that much. they supposedly knew about Pamon in 2005 but were "satisfied that the financial and criminal issues had been resolved."

 

[b311j]

From 2002:

The Big Ten Conference dismissed four college football officials Wednesday after determining they did a poor job during a Sept. 21 game between Wake Forest and Purdue.
"During the course of the game, these officials did not officiate well enough to meet Big Ten standards," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said in a statement. "Therefore, they will forfeit future officiating assignments."

A spokesman at the Big Ten's office in Park Ridge, Ill., would not comment on what specific mistakes the crew made during the game, which Wake Forest won 24-21. Wake Forest is from the Atlantic Coast Conference, and Purdue is from the Big Ten.

Purdue coach Joe Tiller said he was glad conference officials reviewed the game, but he too would not discuss what mistakes the officials might have made.

Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe and athletics director Ron Wellman declined to comment.

An eight-man crew worked the game, and four officials are listed on the Big Ten's officiating staff. They are referee Daniel Capron, linesman Steve Beckman, back judge Scott Buchanan and side judge Don Swanson.

 

[byco42]

After this debacle, the next game, no matter the opponent, pales in comparison. Any bowl game, to me, contains no relevance or interest. In fact the entire CFB season is, to me, concluded. (Army-Navy excepted). This playoff system has to expand to 14 teams for it to allow for the best teams to compete and admit a few outliers.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

He had just as valid a point most likely. I'm sure it's mostly logistics but there is too much at stake for the B1G to just take the cheap/easy route.

I had discussions with several co-workers today and all brought up the argument that "it shouldn't have come down to the officials.... So get over it". Well in this case it did. When the officials are making and missing calls, and spotting the ball in ways that favor one team over the other it does affect the outcome of the game. The individual calls/no calls accumulate resulting in a slanted field that favors one team. So, why shouldn't Michigan fans just get over it? I think the answer to this is that this sort of thing degrades the integrity of the sport and undermines peoples confidence in the outcome of the games. If this kind of poor officiating (to be generous) that has to be called out and addressed. It can't be allowed to happen and go unchallenged. If it is allowed to be swept under the rug, and dismissed, as some would like, it will only get worse and destroy fans confidence that the games are on the up and up. This will destroy the sports we love. I think this is why the "Black sox" scandal was dealt with so harshly, and why Pete Rose has been banned from baseball for life. The people in baseball understand how these things erode the sport. While players betting on sports is not the same as biased officiating, it is similar in that both act to erode the integrity of the game and the confidence of the fans in the outcome of games. The importance of this issue is not that Michigan lost or OSU won, it goes way beyond that! That is why Michigan fans can't and shouldn't "just get over it". If we can't have confidence going in that the game is going to be called fairly, then fans will lose interest in the game and stop being fans. So, at the very least to protect the integrity of the game and bolster fan's confidence, the B1G and NCAA have to be extremely cognizant and hypervigilant to the issue of poor/biased officiating and seriously investigate and address it when it appears to have occurred.

 

[tsume99]

Let your co-workers favorite team(s) be the victim of biased officiating and see how easily they get over it. If they complain, tell them to shut up and deal with it.

 

[lostleader]

I had discussions with several co-workers today and all brought up the argument that "it shouldn't have come down to the officials.... So get over it". Well in this case it did. When the officials are making and missing calls, and spotting the ball in ways that favor one team over the other it does affect the outcome of the game. The individual calls/no calls accumulate resulting in a slanted field that favors one team. So, why shouldn't Michigan fans just get over it? I think the answer to this is that this sort of thing degrades the integrity of the sport and undermines peoples confidence in the outcome of the games. If this kind of poor officiating (to be generous) that has to be called out and addressed. It can't be allowed to happen and go unchallenged. If it is allowed to be swept under the rug, and dismissed, as some would like, it will only get worse and destroy fans confidence that the games are on the up and up. This will destroy the sports we love. I think this is why the "Black sox" scandal was dealt with so harshly, and why Pete Rose has been banned from baseball for life. The people in baseball understand how these things erode the sport. While players betting on sports is not the same as biased officiating, it is similar in that both act to erode the integrity of the game and the confidence of the fans in the outcome of games. The importance of this issue is not that Michigan lost or OSU won, it goes way beyond that! That is why Michigan fans can't and shouldn't "just get over it". If we can't have confidence going in that the game is going to be called fairly, then fans will lose interest in the game and stop being fans. So, at the very least to protect the integrity of the game and bolster fan's confidence, the B1G and NCAA have to be extremely cognizant and hypervigilant to the issue of poor/biased officiating and seriously investigate and address it when it appears to have occurred.

Pete Rose should be admitted in the Hall of Fame.

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