the Trans Pacific Partnership

[Michchamp]

Senate Democrats have derailed Obama's plans to "fastrack" the treaty without any congressional debate. Link.

in the pic, Harry Reid is looking a little like Dr. Strangelove with those glasses.

I don't know how many of you guys are following this, but there are a lot of awful features of the treaty, almost too many to list here.

I've heard very little about it outside the "liberal biased" media I read; almost nothing from Conservatives. I wonder if a lot of Conservatives are simply ignoring the issue because of the cognitive dissonance it causes in their minds: you have your "socialist, Islamofascist" President pushing a pro-business, anti-regulatory treaty, with an agenda driven entirely by big business, and the president has more or less most Congressional Republicans on his side...

oh NO! what do I think?!?!?! what to make of this?!?! My head hurts. Help Fox News, Help!

 

[tinselwolverine]

On Meet the Press, the biggest news on this Sunday is that the issue seems to have created a schism between Obama and Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think they had much in common to begin with.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't know how many of you guys are following this, but there are a lot of awful features of the treaty, almost too many to list here.

Maybe there are, maybe there aren't. Depends on whether or not the leaked documents are accurate. We've never seen an official copy.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe there are, maybe there aren't. Depends on whether or not the leaked documents are accurate. We've never seen an official copy.

This alone is reason enough to oppose it. Odd for the most transparent administration in history.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The article makes it seems like the typical Hill gamesmanship going on.

Hey what's the deal? I thought Politico was supposed to be just so much right wing propaganda…

 

[Monster]

All I can think of is NAFTA. This deal is (it seems) basically NAFTA on steroids. Millions of jobs are on the line here, but don't worry...big business will make plenty of money.

 

[Thumb]

All I can think of is NAFTA. This deal is (it seems) basically NAFTA on steroids. Millions of jobs are on the line here, but don't worry...big business will make plenty of money.

It will create jobs in the long run!

[/SARCASM]

 

[Michchamp]

All I can think of is NAFTA. This deal is (it seems) basically NAFTA on steroids. Millions of jobs are on the line here, but don't worry...big business will make plenty of money.

among other things, it will take the ability to enforce regulatory regimes out of the hands of nation states, and give them to extra-national tribunals to resolve... which will obviously be very pro-business, since the businesses are writing the treaty this way.

So... if a multinational conglomerate, say, dumps hydrochloric acid in your drinking water, and your local government fines them, they can appeal to the tribunals, and the local courts have no say over it. it essentially puts the corporation above the nation-state in many ways.

It appears this will be one reason you'll find opposition to it on the Right... not for any sane reason of course, but that these extra-national tribunals sound a lot like the UN and black helicopters, and Illuminati and what not.

Congressional Republicans will find themselves stuck between serving Big Business and pandering to the crazies in their voting base.

...while Obama tries to portray the thing as good for workers and consumers in the U.S. somehow to win over Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, et al.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Corporations are tired of being people. They want to be kings.

 

[Michchamp]

Maybe there are, maybe there aren't. Depends on whether or not the leaked documents are accurate. We've never seen an official copy.

here's a link to more on that:

So who can read the text of the TPP? Not you, it?s classified. Even members of Congress can only look at it one section at a time in the Capitol?s basement, without most of their staff or the ability to keep notes.
But there?s an exception: if you?re part of one of 28 U.S. government-appointed trade advisory committees providing advice to the U.S. negotiators.
The committees with the most access to what?s going on in the negotiations are 16 ?Industry Trade Advisory Committees,? whose members include AT&T, General Electric, Apple, Dow Chemical, Nike, Walmart and the American Petroleum Institute.
The TPP is an international trade agreement currently being negotiated between the US and 11 other countries, including Japan, Australia, Chile, Singapore and Malaysia. Among other things, it could could strengthen copyright laws, limit efforts at food safety reform and allow domestic policies to be contested by corporations in an international court. Its impact is expected to be sweeping, yet venues for public input hardly exist
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[Gulo Blue]

here's a link to more on that:

So who can read the text of the TPP? Not you, it’s classified. Even members of Congress can only look at it one section at a time in the Capitol’s basement, without most of their staff or the ability to keep notes.
But there’s an exception: if you’re part of one of 28 U.S. government-appointed trade advisory committees providing advice to the U.S. negotiators.
The committees with the most access to what’s going on in the negotiations are 16 “Industry Trade Advisory Committees,” whose members include AT&T, General Electric, Apple, Dow Chemical, Nike, Walmart and the American Petroleum Institute.
The TPP is an international trade agreement currently being negotiated between the US and 11 other countries, including Japan, Australia, Chile, Singapore and Malaysia. Among other things, it could could strengthen copyright laws, limit efforts at food safety reform and allow domestic policies to be contested by corporations in an international court. Its impact is expected to be sweeping, yet venues for public input hardly exist
​

The fact that there haven't been more leaks is kind of remarkable when you think of all the players that do have access.

 

[kalinecountry]

here's a link to more on that:

So who can read the text of the TPP? Not you, it?s classified. Even members of Congress can only look at it one section at a time in the Capitol?s basement, without most of their staff or the ability to keep notes.
But there?s an exception: if you?re part of one of 28 U.S. government-appointed trade advisory committees providing advice to the U.S. negotiators.
The committees with the most access to what?s going on in the negotiations are 16 ?Industry Trade Advisory Committees,? whose members include AT&T, General Electric, Apple, Dow Chemical, Nike, Walmart and the American Petroleum Institute.
The TPP is an international trade agreement currently being negotiated between the US and 11 other countries, including Japan, Australia, Chile, Singapore and Malaysia. Among other things, it could could strengthen copyright laws, limit efforts at food safety reform and allow domestic policies to be contested by corporations in an international court. Its impact is expected to be sweeping, yet venues for public input hardly exist
​

These are the scary parts of it. Way too secretive, and the making deals on foods where the American consumer has no idea where the foods came from or what is in it.
We already have this problem with the cunts at Monsanto and the GMO foods,
I would love to get those bastards and pour the Roundup down their throats.

 

[turok]

Giving the Purple POTUS the TPA (trade promotion authority)to fast track the Toilet Paper People bill has passed in the Senate 62-37, and will likely also eventually be passed in the House (when they return from their 10 DAY Memorial Day holiday hiatus) .

Both of MI's senators, Stabenow and Peters, voted against fast-tracking, likely in no small part b/c of being influenced by the domestic automakers (and the UAW) HQed here.

TPP: giving the global corporate capitalists more freedom to wipe their collective asses with the middle and lower classes.

 

[turok]

These are the scary parts of it. Way too secretive, and the making deals on foods where the American consumer has no idea where the foods came from or what is in it.
We already have this problem with the cunts at Monsanto and the GMO foods,
I would love to get those bastards and pour the Roundup down their throats.

The current proposal is to take $700 million from Medicare to retrain workers who could lose their jobs as a result of the TPP to do new jobs that do not exist (and probably NEVER will). This could also of course, negatively affect those present & future Medicare recipients who may be struggling financially amongst the disabled and elderly. This cut is scheduled to take effect in 2024, when ALL of the huge baby-boomer population will be past minimum SS retirement age.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hil...-to-raid-medicare-20150518-column.html#page=1

 

[tigermud]

http://www.infowars.com/special-report-tpp-gives-obama-power-to-destroy-america/

 

[tigermud]

THIS IS HOW LITTLE IT COST GOLDMAN TO BRIBE AMERICA’S SENATORS TO FAST TRACK OBAMA’S TPP BILL


http://www.infowars.com/this-is-how...ricas-senators-to-fast-track-obamas-tpp-bill/

 

[Monster]

Infowars is not a credible source. That being said, I don't doubt that something shady happened. It's just that infowars has the same credibility as a three year old sausage sandwich.

 

[tigermud]

Infowars is not a credible source. That being said, I don't doubt that something shady happened. It's just that infowars has the same credibility as a three year old sausage sandwich.

Thank you for your opinion I would completely disagree they are much more credible and informative than any of the cable news networks IMO.. They've grown up quite a bit in the last year or so, they have many respectable reporters whom go into places no one else in the mainstream dare, they are the best in the business and give it to you straight. Jones still gets loud once in a while and flys off the handle but they are so much more than one guy now. Try listing to just one of their daily news shows you'll see..it's credible

If tpp goes through its all over monster America will become third world, this issue is extremely important for the future of our kids, there isn't going to be a good one if this goes through..Ross Perot warned everyone years ago, he's still right, and so is jones

 

[Monster]

Tpp is bullshit. No argument there. I'm just saying infowars and alex jones are not credible and are constantly being caught in lies and completely making up stories. Fact check some of their stories. You'll see.