TheVictors
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I bet you $1000 we don't have a revolution during this or the next ...two election cycles, Suzy.
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thank you to those lawmakers and citizens whom stood up to the tyranny. I'm sure they will be back but for now HOPE! there is still some HOPE after all. glorious day.
It appears that Obama wants to use the TPP also as an export carrot for Pacific Rim nations such as Vietnam and Malaysia, who have a piss-poor record of upholding human rights. Republicans like it b/c it will help the global corporate capitalists to further exploit and profit from cheap labor and far less if any "socialist" health, safety, and environmental regulations.
Pretty noble of Obama if so, but it looks like yet again it will be the US middle and lower classes who will support this lemon with job losses due to off-shoring and maybe outsourcing. Except for perhaps the dockworkers on the West Coast.
The fact that Medicare will be raided in ~9 years to help pay for "retraining" of those US workers who may or will be affected by the TPP is a pretty good indicator that DC already knows this, and exactly what type of jobs would those affected be trained for? For example, stocking shelves @ Wal*Mart or unloading trucks @ Target, both of whom likely stand to reap the benefits from the TPP, doesn't require that much training.
"Obama says U.S. products must reach more markets"
What do we mass-export that is of real value anymore?
Entertainment, technology and music (that are vapor) soft-drinks, Rx drugs, booze, and of course JOBS.
When most products were being made here in the US, consumers BOUGHT the products that they made. We have never really been a big exporter, as indicated by the thousands of empty shipping containers piled up @ seaports, that will eventually need to be returned empty.
I feel like he's pushing the TPP because of a previous deal with Republicans. Some sort of "behind closed doors handshake deal". I don't know what he got in exchange for his endorsement of the TPP, but there is absolutely no way (in my mind) that Obama is going against a vast majority of voters (both dem and rep) after being so liberal in the past couple years.
I have nothing to back this up, but why would Obama and Republicans play nice on this one issue? I've never heard Republicans kiss his ass so much. There had to have been some sort of a deal but this is a big fuck you to all of us.
With a 60-38 vote, the Senate adopted the law giving President Obama the power to ?fast-track? talks on free-trade pacts such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) after months of fierce debate in both houses of the Congress.
Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), as the measure is called, means that Congress will only get to vote up or down on the treaties in question once they are finalized by the White House, without the ability to offer amendments.
Obama has faced strong opposition from his own Democratic Party, with prominent lawmakers such as Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) in the Senate and Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in the House breaking ranks to speak and vote against the measure.
Meanwhile, Republican lawmakers that usually oppose Obama at every turn by and large backed the president on the issue, though with some notable exceptions. Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas), one of the contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, voted against closing the debate on TAP on Tuesday.
After the measure barely squeaked by with 60 votes in favor, Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) accused the US government of not serving the needs of its citizens, saying the White House ?broke arms and heads? to scrape up the required majority.
?When ordinary Americans who never asked for the plan, who don?t want the plan, who want no part of the plan, resist, they are scorned, mocked, and heaped with condescension,? Sessions said in a statement. ?It is remarkable that so much energy has been expended on advancing the things Americans oppose, and preventing the things Americans want.?
http://rt.com/usa/269497-senate-tpa-obama-tpp/
Just out of curiosity because I wasn't on this forum in 2010, were you or any other anti-TPP left-leaning posters making posts like this about Obamacare which also didn't come close to having majority popular support?
totally irrelevent.
Totally laughable, b/c this website and forum didn't even exist yet.
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