Tigers Opening Day Lineup

[spockmaster]

I don't think 5 is top half. And BB needs to be 2, he's young and still trying to be consistent so it helps him more than anyone else batting in front of Miguel.

Avila needs to hit 2nd because he sees a ton of pitches and has a great OBP. Even if Boesch would see better pitches hitting in front of Cabrera, Avila is STILL a better hitter and needs to hit 2nd (imagine what he could do with his plate discipline and the pitches he'd see hitting ahead of Cabrera). my normal lineup would be this:

Ajax - CF
Avila - C
Cabrera - 3B
Fielder - 1B
Raburn - LF
Boesch - RF
Peralta - SS
Young - DH
Santiago - 2B


Young needs to stfu about not DH-ing and come to terms to the fact that the only player in baseball who is worse in the outfield than he is is Adam Dunn, who is now a full-time DH. Hitting 8th would also minimize the damage of his refusal to take walks and proclivity for double plays. Everyone in the lineup i made ahead of him is a better hitter than he is. Its not like my views on this are new, either.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Avila needs to hit 2nd because he sees a ton of pitches and has a great OBP. Even if Boesch would see better pitches hitting in front of Cabrera, Avila is STILL a better hitter and needs to hit 2nd (imagine what he could do with his plate discipline and the pitches he'd see hitting ahead of Cabrera). my normal lineup would be this:

Ajax - CF
Avila - C
Cabrera - 3B
Fielder - 1B
Raburn - LF
Boesch - RF
Peralta - SS
Young - DH
Santiago - 2B


Young needs to stfu about not DH-ing and come to terms to the fact that the only player in baseball who is worse in the outfield than he is is Adam Dunn, who is now a full-time DH. Hitting 8th would also minimize the damage of his refusal to take walks and proclivity for double plays. Everyone in the lineup i made ahead of him is a better hitter than he is. Its not like my views on this are new, either.

But I see Avila hitting well in he 6th through 8th spot and I see BB failing badly down in the order. Last year is a good example, mid-season or whatever it happen, BB moved from the 3 hole to the 2 hole and his numbers went drastically down. He needs to hit 2 this season.

 

[spockmaster]

And that point has been proven time and again to be completely retarded.

Im gonna quote that again for emphasis. The spot in the lineup a hitter should hit should be determined mainly by how good of a hitter they are. Avila is a better hitter than Boesch, and Avila should hit 2nd, not 6th-8th.


edit: not to re-mention my previous point that Avila is not only better overall, but MUCH better at plate discipline and getting walks, which is far more important in front of our big mashers than behind them. Free swingers belong closer to the bottom of the lineup than the top.

 

[Thumb]

Avila needs to hit 2nd because he sees a ton of pitches and has a great OBP. Even if Boesch would see better pitches hitting in front of Cabrera, Avila is STILL a better hitter and needs to hit 2nd (imagine what he could do with his plate discipline and the pitches he'd see hitting ahead of Cabrera). my normal lineup would be this:

Ajax - CF
Avila - C
Cabrera - 3B
Fielder - 1B
Raburn - LF
Boesch - RF
Peralta - SS
Young - DH
Santiago - 2B


Young needs to stfu about not DH-ing and come to terms to the fact that the only player in baseball who is worse in the outfield than he is is Adam Dunn, who is now a full-time DH. Hitting 8th would also minimize the damage of his refusal to take walks and proclivity for double plays. Everyone in the lineup i made ahead of him is a better hitter than he is. Its not like my views on this are new, either.

Well I don't know how you can call Avila a better hitter than Boesch, I think the jury is still out on that. Both hit very well at times, and very poorly at times, neither has maintained for a full season.

Personally I like Boesch #2 and Avila #5, Boesch 2 because he will see better pitches with Cabrera behind him, and Avila 5th because his good eye and ability to take pitches means no letup after facing Cabrera and Fielder.

With Delmon 5th a pitcher goes from "Oh shit, Cabrera and Fielder" to "LOL double-play Delmon".

1 Ajax - CF
2 Boesch - RF
3 Cabrera - 3B
4 Fielder - 1B
5 Avila - C
6 Peralta - SS
7 Raburn
8 Young
9 Santiago/Dirks/Kelly/Cringe

 

[Thumb]

Im gonna quote that again for emphasis. The spot in the lineup a hitter should hit should be determined mainly by how good of a hitter they are. Avila is a better hitter than Boesch, and Avila should hit 2nd, not 6th-8th.


edit: not to re-mention my previous point that Avila is not only better overall, but MUCH better at plate discipline and getting walks, which is far more important in front of our big mashers than behind them. Free swingers belong closer to the bottom of the lineup than the top.

Based on one season?

Avila was horrid in 2010, seriously, I don't think you can call one better than the other yet, they both have shown superstar moments, and Inge-ian moments.

 

[spockmaster]

I still prefer Avila's eye before Cabrera and Fielder than after so he can get on base for them, which will mean more runs. Thats more important than Boesch maybe seeing some better pitches but only seeing 2 or 3 pitches per ab.

 

[spockmaster]

Based on one season?

Avila was horrid in 2010, seriously, I don't think you can call one better than the other yet, they both have shown superstar moments, and Inge-ian moments.

One thing that usually doesnt change is their plate discipline, something Avila has always done much better at, so yes. I will say that after a year. Avila's '10 was likely more of a fluke than his numbers last year anyways between getting only about 300abs and being the backup rather than the starter and not getting regular playing time as well as adjusting to being in the majors vs AA. Its harder to tell with Boesch except for the fact that he's always had a much lower walk rate and sees fewer pitches than Avila does, which is the much more useful ability in the 2-hole.

 

[Thumb]

I still prefer Avila's eye before Cabrera and Fielder than after so he can get on base for them, which will mean more runs. Thats more important than Boesch maybe seeing some better pitches but only seeing 2 or 3 pitches per ab.

I can see your point when you phrase it like that, not saying I'm agreeing, but it's better then simply trying to say one is a better hitter than the other.

 

[spockmaster]

Im not always good at being able to phrase exactly what I mean, thats why I always had other people proofread my papers for me lol.