Tigers vs. mariners Game Thread September 16

[tigermud]

That is the best,
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac266/detroit4lyferob/Tigers/ShannonHogan.gif

I sent it to a few friends here and they all roared.

That's still rotflmfao everytime!

 

[byco42]

That is whacked. I could not stop watching.

 

[spockmaster]

6-1 royals. crush em!


7-1! wheeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[coulomb]

6-0 angels over a's..

good chance tigers are 1 game out of the 2 seed after this game.

 

[spockmaster]

KC wins 7-1, magic # is down to 7.

 

[Thumb]

KC wins 7-1, magic # is down to 7.

 

[sggatecl]

Oakland lost as well, nice to gain a game on them.

 

[Rebbiv]

Since All Star Break

Sanchez 7-1 11 GS 73.6 IP 59 H 16 ER 23 BB 67 SO 1.95 ERA 1.11 WHIP

Scherzer 6-2 11 GS 71.6 IP 48 H 20 ER 18 BB 75 SO 2.51 ERA 0.92 WHIP

Verlander 3-5 11 GS 73.3 IP 75 H 32 ER 23 BB 64 SO 3.93 ERA 1.34 WHIP

Porcello 7-2 11 GS 68.6 IP 71 H 30 ER 23 BB 50 SO 3.93 ERA 1.37 WHIP

Fister 5-4 11 GS 72.6 IP 82 H 25 ER 20 BB 48 SO 3.10 ERA 1.40 WHIP

TOTAL 28-14 55 GS 360.0 IP 335 H 123 ER 107 BB 304 SO 3.08 ERA 1.23 WHIP

 

[tomdalton22]

Since All Star Break

Sanchez 7-1 11 GS 73.6 IP 59 H 16 ER 23 BB 67 SO 1.95 ERA 1.11 WHIP

Scherzer 6-2 11 GS 71.6 IP 48 H 20 ER 18 BB 75 SO 2.51 ERA 0.92 WHIP

Verlander 3-5 11 GS 73.3 IP 75 H 32 ER 23 BB 64 SO 3.93 ERA 1.34 WHIP

Porcello 7-2 11 GS 68.6 IP 71 H 30 ER 23 BB 50 SO 3.93 ERA 1.37 WHIP

Fister 5-4 11 GS 72.6 IP 82 H 25 ER 20 BB 48 SO 3.10 ERA 1.40 WHIP

TOTAL 28-14 55 GS 360.0 IP 335 H 123 ER 107 BB 304 SO 3.08 ERA 1.23 WHIP

so based on this it is a toss up between Verlander and Porcello for the 4th starter in the playoffs!

 

[Rebbiv]

so based on this it is a toss up between Verlander and Porcello for the 4th starter in the playoffs!

No, for the 3rd spot.

 

[tomdalton22]

No, for the 3rd spot.

toss up. Fister's ERA is 0.83 lower than JV's and Rick's.

All kidding aside...JV will be there. Between Porcello and Fister Porcello will be the odd man out IMO.

 

[tomdalton22]

From ESPN today re playoff rotations:


Detroit Tigers
Two questions: (1) Anibal Sanchez or Justin Verlander as the No. 2 starter behind Max Scherzer (I’d go Sanchez, as he’s simply better than Verlander right now); (2) Has Rick Porcello jumped over Doug Fister as the Tigers' fourth guy? Porcello has pitched well his past two starts, but those came against the Mariners and the White Sox. Before that, the Red Sox pounded him for nine runs. But Fister has also been inconsistent, with two seven-run starts mixed in with a one-run and no-run effort in his past four outings.

 

[Rebbiv]

Since the AS, here is what has happened when Porcello was replaced during an inning:

AA has followed Porcello twice and allowed 4 of 6 Inherited Runners scored

Coke has followed Porcello once and 2 of 3 Inherited Runners scored

Smyly has followed Porcello once and 0 of 1 Inherited Runners scored

So, AL average is 30%. Porcello has had 60% scored after he departed.

Since AS, games with Avila or Martinez as starting C:

7 GS 6-0 48.3 IP 40 H 11 ER 14 BB 31 SO 2.05 ERA 1.12 WHIP

Pena/Holday starting C with Porecllo

4 GS 1-2 20.3 IP 31 H 19 ER 9 BB 19 SO 8.41 ERA 1.97 WHIP

All things being equal (i.e. Avila catching and AA or Coke not following), I would have Porcello in the top 3 or 4.

 

[Rebbiv]

toss up. Fister's ERA is 0.83 lower than JV's and Rick's.

All kidding aside...JV will be there. Between Porcello and Fister Porcello will be the odd man out IMO.

ERA is a terrible comparative stat. I listed it, but really WHIP would be a better indicator. The other thing, is groundball pitchers tend to have higher WHIPs, but this is negated by the amount of GIDP they receive versus someone like Verlander.

 

[Mitchrapp]

ERA is a terrible comparative stat. I listed it, but really WHIP would be a better indicator. The other thing, is groundball pitchers tend to have higher WHIPs, but this is negated by the amount of GIDP they receive versus someone like Verlander.

WHIP isn't a better stats, just different. Porcello could be giving up more home runs rather than the more hits Fister gives up (though its close)..

 

[Rebbiv]

WHIP isn't a better stats, just different. Porcello could be giving up more home runs rather than the more hits Fister gives up (though its close)..

WHIP = what a pitcher is responsible for

ERA = not necessarily

As pointed out, 6 of Porcello's 30 ER came after he left the game. Under "average" conditions, it should have only been 27 ER, making his ERA 3.54.

A reliever can enter the game with bases loaded, give up a double, a walk and record the last out, but 3 runs scored while he was in the game. ERA = 0.00, WHIP = 6.67

ERA says he did an outstanding JOB!

 

[tomdalton22]

WHIP = what a pitcher is responsible for

ERA = not necessarily

As pointed out, 6 of Porcello's 30 ER came after he left the game. Under "average" conditions, it should have only been 27 ER, making his ERA 3.54.

A reliever can enter the game with bases loaded, give up a double, a walk and record the last out, but 3 runs scored while he was in the game. ERA = 0.00, WHIP = 6.67

ERA says he did an outstanding JOB!

In that instance you are correct. But just like you posted above....a ground ball pitcher like Fister who might give up a few more hits but gets more GIDP so his era is lower. Both stats are good IMO but a starter who's ERA is almost a full run better than another outweighs 0.06 difference in WHIP

 

[Mitchrapp]

WHIP = what a pitcher is responsible for

ERA = not necessarily

As pointed out, 6 of Porcello's 30 ER came after he left the game. Under "average" conditions, it should have only been 27 ER, making his ERA 3.54.

A reliever can enter the game with bases loaded, give up a double, a walk and record the last out, but 3 runs scored while he was in the game. ERA = 0.00, WHIP = 6.67

ERA says he did an outstanding JOB!

Then you use the IR stat.

I was referring to starters and I'm saying WHIP has its own problems.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And use your example, someone gives up 5 hits in 9 innings, all HR - WHIP is awesome ..

 

[tomdalton22]

what if a pitcher hits three batters then gives up a grand slam then goes on to not give up another hit or run. ERA is 4.00 and whip is 0.11?