Tigers vs. nationals Spring Training March 10

[Mitchrapp]

How is it a cop out?

I would not second guess Beethoven how to compost a symphony, I would not tell Picasso not to use so much blue in his paintings, and I'm sure as hell not going to tell Miguel Cabrera he's not smart when it comes to the art of hitting a baseball.

Lots of hitters on the Tigers that I'd be concerned about, Cabrera is not one of them.

Pretty weak analogy.

Listen...baseball is a team sport. Hitting might be an individual skill, but as a team, you try and get the opposing pitcher to throw more pitches.

Just about every hitter in baseball has a higher BAVG when they are 1st pitch swinging. I get that. However, it is situation dependent. In this case, you have a pitcher that walks the 1st two hitters on 8 pitches, and gets out of the inning with 12 pitches total. Albeit he gave up a run, I would make the claim that DET would have probably scored more runs had they taken a few more pitches.

Career First Pitch


Jackson .482 BAVG (1.132 OPS)
Raburn .434 BAVG (1.058 OPS)
Cabrera .406 BAVG (1.155 OPS)
Martinez .388 BAVG (.974 OPS)
Peralta .382 BAVG (.977 OPS)
Fielder .378 BAVG (1.146 OPS)
Young .347 BAVG (.889 OPS)
Inge .331 BAVG (.890 OPS)
Avila .328 BAVG (.865 OPS)
Santiago .318 BAVG (.732 OPS)
Boesch .307 BAVG (.802 OPS)
Kelly .307 BAVG (.769 OPS)


Not one player is below .300 Does this change anything? Not in the least. If Cabrera is such a good hitter, then he certainly can afford to take one strike (career .296 BAVG after starting 0-1).

So the question really is, does it matter who is hitting as to whether it is smart or not? To me, it does not matter. Your better hitters will not have an issue taking at least one pitch.

That list tells me one thing, AJ needs to swing at the first pitch more often.

 

[kalinecountry]

Mitch[/color]]

Pretty weak analogy.

Listen...baseball is a team sport. Hitting might be an individual skill, but as a team, you try and get the opposing pitcher to throw more pitches.

Just about every hitter in baseball has a higher BAVG when they are 1st pitch swinging. I get that. However, it is situation dependent. In this case, you have a pitcher that walks the 1st two hitters on 8 pitches, and gets out of the inning with 12 pitches total. Albeit he gave up a run, I would make the claim that DET would have probably scored more runs had they taken a few more pitches.

Career First Pitch


Jackson .482 BAVG (1.132 OPS)
Raburn .434 BAVG (1.058 OPS)
Cabrera .406 BAVG (1.155 OPS)
Martinez .388 BAVG (.974 OPS)
Peralta .382 BAVG (.977 OPS)
Fielder .378 BAVG (1.146 OPS)
Young .347 BAVG (.889 OPS)
Inge .331 BAVG (.890 OPS)
Avila .328 BAVG (.865 OPS)
Santiago .318 BAVG (.732 OPS)
Boesch .307 BAVG (.802 OPS)
Kelly .307 BAVG (.769 OPS)


Not one player is below .300 Does this change anything? Not in the least. If Cabrera is such a good hitter, then he certainly can afford to take one strike (career .296 BAVG after starting 0-1).

So the question really is, does it matter who is hitting as to whether it is smart or not? To me, it does not matter. Your better hitters will not have an issue taking at least one pitch.

That list tells me one thing, AJ needs to swing at the first pitch more often.

lol. yeah don't think, just hit.

 

[kalinecountry]

Bottom 8th inning.
Garcia 2 out double.
Argeniz Diaz doubles Garcia home tie game.

 

[kalinecountry]

Benoit out, Octavio Dotel pitching.

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]

Pretty weak analogy.

Listen...baseball is a team sport. Hitting might be an individual skill, but as a team, you try and get the opposing pitcher to throw more pitches.

Just about every hitter in baseball has a higher BAVG when they are 1st pitch swinging. I get that. However, it is situation dependent. In this case, you have a pitcher that walks the 1st two hitters on 8 pitches, and gets out of the inning with 12 pitches total. Albeit he gave up a run, I would make the claim that DET would have probably scored more runs had they taken a few more pitches.

Career First Pitch


Jackson .482 BAVG (1.132 OPS)
Raburn .434 BAVG (1.058 OPS)
Cabrera .406 BAVG (1.155 OPS)
Martinez .388 BAVG (.974 OPS)
Peralta .382 BAVG (.977 OPS)
Fielder .378 BAVG (1.146 OPS)
Young .347 BAVG (.889 OPS)
Inge .331 BAVG (.890 OPS)
Avila .328 BAVG (.865 OPS)
Santiago .318 BAVG (.732 OPS)
Boesch .307 BAVG (.802 OPS)
Kelly .307 BAVG (.769 OPS)


Not one player is below .300 Does this change anything? Not in the least. If Cabrera is such a good hitter, then he certainly can afford to take one strike (career .296 BAVG after starting 0-1).

So the question really is, does it matter who is hitting as to whether it is smart or not? To me, it does not matter. Your better hitters will not have an issue taking at least one pitch.

That list tells me one thing, AJ needs to swing at the first pitch more often.

Not necessarily (however his is below league average). Team's have very good scouting reports on players. They pretty much know who swings at first pitches. If you are someone with pretty good control, would you offer a hitter you tends to swing at the 1st pitch anything close to down the middle?

An average is 26-27% first pitch swinging. Miguel is at 33%. Delmon Young is at 46%. Again, situation dependent.

2 outs no one on, the pitcher is probably not "pitching around" the hitter. And with Delmon or Miguel, they probably aren't going to try a "sneak" one by on the 1st pitch.

Now, 2 on and no outs, the pitcher is probably not going to be giving Delmon or Miguel anything on the first pitch. Granted, Miguel being the better hitter, he might just put a ball into a hit.

 

[kalinecountry]

Another outfield assist, this one by Matt Young in center field on a single and throw to home with Brantley putting the tag on runner.

 

[Monster]

[quote="Monster ":1p9uhc8d]delmon young...if he keeps hitting like this, he'll be a great DH.

*sigh*[/quote:1p9uhc8d]

you are all in denial. While i have no love for Brandon Inge, he will be the 2B to start the season and raburn will be in left.

 

[Thumb]

Sounds like they will let this end in a tie if nobody scores.

 

[Thumb]

Monster [/color]]
[quote="MI_Thumb":56hgdljs]


*sigh*

you are all in denial. While i have no love for Brandon Inge, he will be the 2B to start the season and raburn will be in left. [/quote:56hgdljs]


WE are in denial?

When the Manager says Delmon Young is the Left Fielder, and he want's DH to be an open position to use to take advantage of matchups, that's the reality.

All the people who got on the "Delmon is our DH" train, forgot to get off when the skipper told them it does not stop at that station.

Also, 1/2 of my *sigh* was at Delmon being "great" at anything, good is about the best we can hope for, the word great should never be used in the same sentence with him.

 

[kalinecountry]

Sounds like they will let this end in a tie if nobody scores.

Tigers and Nats are going 10 at Joker Marchant Stadium. They won't be going 11. If it's still tied after this inning, it'll end as a tie. Jason Beck
One more inning Mi_Thumb.

 

[kalinecountry]

Luke Putkonen pitching in the 10th inning.

 

[Thumb]

Yea, I hear now KC, when I posted they had nobody throwing, so D & J just assumed it would just end at 9.

 

[kalinecountry]

Two pitches, two outs. Putkonen gets the third out.
Tigers bottom 10th.

 

[kalinecountry]

Old friend ryan perry in for nationals. does he hit a batter?

guess not 3 up 3 down, that should do it...

 

[kalinecountry]

Game ends in a 5-5 tie.
Tigers play two on the road tomorrow versus Astros and Phillies.

 

[sggatecl]

KalineCountry[/color]]Old friend ryan perry in for nationals. does he hit a batter?

guess not 3 up 3 down, that should do it...

Of course he would.