Tigers vs. twins Game Thread April 3

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Coke's righty splits
BA. Obp. Slug. OPS.
2010: .276 .355 .358 .713
2011: .314 .375 .431 .806
2012: .396 .446 .604 1.050

Not to mention everyone, Coke included; has acknowledged Phil's velocity is not where it needs to be, plus his command (he hung that last pitch like a beachball) is still less then acceptable.

When guys like Dickerson and Price, who pretty much toe the company P.R. line come right out and say Coke has no business closing, it makes you wonder if Leyland does things just to prove he's the guy with the big dick in the clubhouse, no matter the outcome.

I have always stuck up somewhat for Smokes, even though I hated his lineups, too often use of bench guys in situations where the regular didn't need the rest, and his terrible bullpen management, because I assumed he was a numbers guy, and respected that, even when the samples were stupidly small. But we have been gift wrapped this division by Mr. I spending serious cash to get us Sanchez and Hunter, and if we're not 5 games up at the A.S. break, I'll be calling for the senile old mans head myself.

Those numbers are unforgivable, not for Coke, because any pitcher who does not want the ball I don't want on my team, but for Leyland ignoring his one strength, knowing the splits down cold.

 

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Again, I never thought Coke was the answer at closer and was shocked he was as successful as he was in the playoffs last year. My point was bullpens sometimes take awhile to get sorted out. Every year teams have to adjust there bullpens and you never know from year to year who is going to be successful in the bullpen. Who would have ever thought Grilli would be a closer. Yeah the loss sucked they all do but getting carried away this much this early just seems a little overly dramatic to me

Every game counts the same brother, be it in April or September.

And every loss that could have been a win, is going to be dramatic. Remember we lived through game 163.

 

[biggunsbob]

You could see Coke's implosion coming from afar.. Already tired of this team that plays shitty in cold weather..There is no reason DD should have the Tigers searching for a closer.. He needs to do his damn job and fix this before it really becomes a real nightmare.. Oh wait the closer role for detroit is already a reacquiring nightmare..

 

[xer0]

Its ALL on Leyland. Pitching Coke vs righties is inexcusable....

you realize who you're talking to right?

dalton LOVES him some jimmy.

he has never put one ounce of blame on him EVER.

he's one of those leyland apologists that think he's the greatest manager in the game and never makes mistakes, it's always the players fault.

the dude is a complete joke.

 

[tonyballs]

I have been right here for both games bro, and no I don't think Coke is the answer at closer that's why I said bullpen. 2 games is not awhile.

2 games? You're high, right? Of course you are. The bullpen has been a mess for awhile now. Add to the fact that now we dont have a closer. Its going to be a long year if they dont fix this problem asap.

 

[tonyballs]

He meant the issue with Coke not being able to get out righties. Its not a new thing to this year and Leyland should know better than to have used him like he did today.

Its exactly what i meant. That and the bullpen has been a hot mess for quite some time....

 

[tonyballs]

Again, I never thought Coke was the answer at closer and was shocked he was as successful as he was in the playoffs last year. My point was bullpens sometimes take awhile to get sorted out. Every year teams have to adjust there bullpens and you never know from year to year who is going to be successful in the bullpen. Who would have ever thought Grilli would be a closer. Yeah the loss sucked they all do but getting carried away this much this early just seems a little overly dramatic to me

We have every fn right to get dramatic about it. Because as a fan when you know something bad is going to happen because of the situation and that situation could have been avoided is sooooooo fn frusturating it makes you want to break shit.

Then listening to Leyland before the game telling Dickerson or Price that he's not talking about the closer situation every day is more annoying. Newsflash, Leyland!! You better fix the situation because uts going to be the hot topic all year. The man is too ignorant or stupid and its mindboggling some of the decisions he makes....

 

[turok]

We have every fn right to get dramatic about it. Because as a fan when you know something bad is going to happen because of the situation and that situation could have been avoided is sooooooo fn frusturating it makes you want to break shit.

Then listening to Leyland before the game telling Dickerson or Price that he's not talking about the closer situation every day is more annoying. Newsflash, Leyland!! You better fix the situation because uts going to be the hot topic all year. The man is too ignorant or stupid and its mindboggling some of the decisions he makes....

If this is supposed to be a true C by C, then why did Jimmy use Coke in the 9th for two games in a row? I wonder if Leyland really doesn't care to fuck around with the BP to the point where he needs more than two RPs warming up in the 8th and/or 9th, even though that might become necessary. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he hates C by C, b/c it requires him to be much more involved late in games, and thereby more liable/responsible for the end results.

 

[tomdalton22]

you realize who you're talking to right?

dalton LOVES him some jimmy.

he has never put one ounce of blame on him EVER.

he's one of those leyland apologists that think he's the greatest manager in the game and never makes mistakes, it's always the players fault.

the dude is a complete joke.

A manager is going to make the wrong move sometimes. sometimes the other move would have had the exact same result. You never know. That said...the BP needed to be addressed in the off season and it wasn't

 

[Rebbiv]

Just my two cents....but there is a point where justified criticism turns into whining, and some of you have crossed that line after just 2 games.

I don't pretend to like Leyland as a manager, but I am big enough not to go onto a message board and call him all sorts of names. There were so many failures in yesterday's game, but we are only going to focus on Leyland's use of Phil Coke.

Just an observation. Leyland gets ragged for how he uses players, but we cannot find fault in DD? The person who makes decisions about managers, coaches and players can walk on water by some accounts.

The Athletic Director of Rutgers did not assault any kids, but he is responsible for not firing the coach (Mike Rice) after the issue was discovered.

 

[tonyballs]

Just my two cents....but there is a point where justified criticism turns into whining, and some of you have crossed that line after just 2 games.

I don't pretend to like Leyland as a manager, but I am big enough not to go onto a message board and call him all sorts of names. There were so many failures in yesterday's game, but we are only going to focus on Leyland's use of Phil Coke.

Just an observation. Leyland gets ragged for how he uses players, but we cannot find fault in DD? The person who makes decisions about managers, coaches and players can walk on water by some accounts.

The Athletic Director of Rutgers did not assault any kids, but he is responsible for not firing the coach (Mike Rice) after the issue was discovered.

But it hasnt just been 2 games. I've been off the Leyland bus for years.

Nice try though....

 

[Rebbiv]

But it hasnt just been 2 games. I've been off the Leyland bus for years.

Nice try though....

It is two games into a 162-game season. That is the point, but you just want to harp about Leyland. I get it. You won't be happy as long as Leyland is the manager. Guess what, he isn't leaving anytime soon. So all of your tirades are just a waste of energy and isn't resolving anything. Hence why it crosses from criticism to whining.

 

[tonyballs]

It is two games into a 162-game season. That is the point, but you just want to harp about Leyland. I get it. You won't be happy as long as Leyland is the manager. Guess what, he isn't leaving anytime soon. So all of your tirades are just a waste of energy and isn't resolving anything. Hence why it crosses from criticism to whining.

You dont have a point. Its been more than this year and the last 2 games, bud. Get your head out of your ass. Leaving Coke in against righties deserves the harping. He's incompetent as a manager...has been for the last few years.

And its not a tirade and there is no energy spent. You put more energy into your mathematical sybermetric bullshit than anybody on here. So ill keep complaining while you jumble the numbers, buddy....dont forget your pocket protector, big fella...k?

Oh, and 160 games (playoffs not included) until Leyland is done. Winning a World Series or not. So yes, he IS leaving soon......counting the days and i dont need a fn calculator for that shit.

KAPOW!!!

 

[Rebbiv]

You dont have a point. Its been more than this year and the last 2 games, bud. Get your head out of your ass. Leaving Coke in against righties deserves the harping. He's incompetent as a manager...has been for the last few years.

And its not a tirade and there is no energy spent. You put more energy into your mathematical sybermetric bullshit than anybody on here. So ill keep complaining while you jumble the numbers, buddy....dont forget your pocket protector, big fella...k?

Oh, and 160 games (playoffs not included) until Leyland is done. Winning a World Series or not. So yes, he IS leaving soon......counting the days and i dont need a fn calculator for that shit.

KAPOW!!!

Ok Tony where did I make a personal assault on you? Your personal attack and profanity laced remarks are not justified or warranted. If the Moderators at this site feel this is the appropriate behavior, so be it.

 

[tonyballs]

Ok Tony where did I make a personal assault on you? Your personal attack and profanity laced remarks are not justified or warranted. If the Moderators at this site feel this is the appropriate behavior, so be it.

Lighten up, buddy...lmfao.

im just fn with ya. Holy shit

You're juthd tho thenthitive....

One question though....where in my post did i personally attack you? Because i made fun of math? The apology "to math" is in the mail...k?

Cmon man

 

[Rebbiv]

Get your head out of your ass.

You put more energy into your mathematical sybermetric bullshit than anybody on here. So ill keep complaining while you jumble the numbers, buddy....dont forget your pocket protector, big fella...k?

Lighten up, buddy...lmfao.

im just fn with ya. Holy shit

You're juthd tho thenthitive....

One question though....where in my post did i personally attack you? Because i made fun of math? The apology "to math" is in the mail...k?

Cmon man

So, who was supposed to get their head out of their ass?

And I guess mathematical sybermetric bullshit was a compliment.

 

[tonyballs]

So, who was supposed to get their head out of their ass?

And I guess mathematical sybermetric bullshit was a compliment.

Ok, im sorry

You did call me a whiner though...lol