tired of all the excuses for calvins record

[dtroitlionsfan951]

"nfl is a passing league, jerry did it when it wasn't"-maybe passing yards weren't up there..but jerry had a hall of fame quarterback..in fact he had 2..also..receiving yards WERE up there..here's the top 10 receiving yards leaders of 1995

jerry rice-1848

isaac bruce-1781

herman moore-1686

micheal irvin-1603

robert brooks-1497

brett perriman-1488

cris carter-1371

tim brown-1342

yancey thigpen-1307

jeff graham-1301


as you can see..it looks similar..and even better than current nfl receiving yards seasons..which leads me to believe..that it was easier in the 90's for one WR to dominate..and probably did not command the same attention CJ does now..he is far and away from the pack this year..where rice was actually just slightly ahead of many others...

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

i really can't figure out why 1995 was so different in receiving yards than other years...i think it says on wikipedia..that it was the first year that qb's could hear plays in their helmets? maybe that was part of the adjustment for nfl defenses that year?...

 

[coel73]

I thought about what they said for awhile, but the fact is that we had no other receiving threat for majority of the year and they STILL could not contain him. So as bad as the circumstances are with the team, he is still unstoppable and deserves everything good that comes with setting the record.

 

[johnny2x2x]

I am a Rice fan, and he was great, but his outrageous numbers were in part a result of playing in that system. The west coast offense was revolutionary and unstoppable at the time. Calvin's season this year is more impressive because he did it without any help,

 

[manchild98]

And no one is going to be surprised if CJ ends up with a few more 2000 yard season's. He's a freak and you really can't defend him for an entrie game...especially since the Lions got smart and move him inside a lot so they can still get him the ball.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It was also the first year you couldn't touch a wide out first 5 yards, 1995.

 

[tomdalton22]

As impressive as him breaking the record is I do agree with what Gruden said....a lot of Calvin's yards were meaningless. Either way...he broke the record and congrats are in order.

 

[schles192]

Unless you win the superbowl all yards are meaningless.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Many great players have done great things on bad teams. Shouldn't take anything away from what he did.

 

[coel73]

He was the only legitimate offensive threat all season. They doubled him, rolled three to his side regularly while no other players took advantage of the openings johnson afforded them, and they even played him like a gunner, and still couldn't stop him. They still could not stop him.

Out of all the arguments any of them make, these other teams had to contain only one player and didn't. He deserves all the credit he gets.

 

[manchild98]

As impressive as him breaking the record is I do agree with what Gruden said....a lot of Calvin's yards were meaningless. Either way...he broke the record and congrats are in order.

Gruden was wrong about the garbage time. 11 of the Lions 15 games have come down to the very last possession.....either for us or our opponent. That means we had a chance to win it, lose it or tie it in the last minute of all those games. I don't see how that can be considered meaningless yards when you have a chance to win, lose or draw in the final minute of 11 games.

 

[tonyballs]

As impressive as him breaking the record is I do agree with what Gruden said....a lot of Calvin's yards were meaningless. Either way...he broke the record and congrats are in order.

You're just as fn stupid as Gruden. They weren't meaningless and it's already been explained a dozen times why.

Now sit there and tell me the Lions were playing "catchup" football all year. I dare ya.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Big complaint I can side with is the amount of pass attempts. But that shouldnt diminish the record because in the end like most of you have suggested we had no secondary WR options. Which meant teams could solely focus on CJ. I know Rice got double teamed, but it was more of a bracket coverage (his words), then a straight double team. And CJ even gets triple coverage sometimes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Big complaint I can side with is the amount of pass attempts. But that shouldnt diminish the record because in the end like most of you have suggested we had no secondary WR options. Which meant teams could solely focus on CJ. I know Rice got double teamed, but it was more of a bracket coverage (his words), then a straight double team. And CJ even gets triple coverage sometimes.

You're forgetting one thing, 700 attempts aren't all going to CJ. Also, SF threw quite a bit too when Rice went 1800+ in '95. And more importantly Rice had 122 catches that year. More than CJ has right now so CJ broke the record with fewer catches.

You're right about the double and triple teams. Back in the day, the "bracket coverage" was pretty much the double team back them.

Also, 1995 was a huge year for WR: Rice, Herman Moore and Bruce all went over 1600 yards. This year, CJ is just smokin' them.

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

I'm curious about number of targets.


And how many for B Marshall. Seems like 70% of cutler throws go to Marshall.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Who gives a fk. Great record and very worthy. 2000 would be sweet can't take that away even in a dismal year.

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

Calm the fuck down. It was just a question.

 

[manchild98]

Steve Young started 11 games in the 1995 season and averaged 291 yards passing per game and a 67% completion rate (8-3 record). Grbac started the other 5 games and averaged 294 yards per game and a 69% completion rate (3-2 record). When you look at both their QB numbers that year they are pretty much identical. Interesting that it looks like that offense did not miss a beat when he was out.

 

[manchild98]

Calm the fuck down. It was just a question.

I've been looking for target numbers for Jerry Rice for 1995 and couldn't find them either. I think that would be more telling than QB pass attempts. I would expect them to be similar but I would think CJ has a few more...and that's because Staff isn't as accurate as a passer this year as Young or Grbac were in 1995. Staff is at 59% this year and those guys were at 67%.

This year CJ has 190 targets and 117 receptions.

Reggie Wayne 182 targets, Marshall 179, Welker & AJ Green 162, Fitz 148 (and only 69 receptions), Andre Johnson 147.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingTargets

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

Thanks. I'm shocked Marshall isn't first. But I don't think Cutler passes as much as luck or staff so I guess it makes some sense.