One of many ways. Reducing turnovers is a good way. Especilaly with 34 of them. The Saints did that too (8 less). And that is Payton's portion of credit he gets. Though Brees could have done that anyway without him (7 less ints). Ryan gets some, Payton gets some credit.
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One of many ways. Reducing turnovers is a good way. Especilaly with 34 of them. The Saints did that too (8 less). And that is Payton's portion of credit he gets. Though Brees could have done that anyway without him (7 less ints). Ryan gets some, Payton gets some credit.
And the Lions did a little of everything.
Offensive coaching additions, defensive coaching additions (usually happens with a new HC anyway) and added weapons and defensive talent too (Van Noy/Ihedigbo/Jones back). Plus they get some experience growth from young players. Saints got Galette and Jordan to have big years after younger bad years. Scheme change helped them too. Hello Slay and Ansah.
Offensive coaching additions, defensive coaching additions (usually happens with a new HC anyway) and added weapons and defensive talent too (Van Noy/Ihedigbo/Jones back). Plus they get some experience growth from young players. Saints got Galette and Jordan to have big years after younger bad years. Scheme change helped them too. Hello Slay and Ansah.
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payton hired ryan....boom....once again...end of discussion.
You are such an idiot. You were talking about Payton's coaching being the reason. I can't believe how stupid you are
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rob ryan was the d cord for the raiders when they were awful, Cleveland, and dallas.....3 horrible teams with shitty defenses. So youre saying the 1 year hes hired by sean payton he miraculously is the reason the team did a 180? really? youre really that dumb?
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Which probably points more to the players themselves.
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or that lkp is clueless....its been proven the later is true more often than not.
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Didn't he turn those defenses around though? The Saints were terrible 2 years ago. Rob Ryan walks in the door last year and they look like a completely different D. That's not just a coincidence...
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no not really....dallas is predicted to be one of the worst teams in the league. They were one of the worst defenses in the league when he had them. definitely not turned around. Cleveland has been the shittiest team in the league tied with Detroit for the worst record in the league over the last 6 years. they definitely haven't turned it around. Oakland....ya...haven't turned it around. So again I ask....you think it has to do moreso cause rob ryan is there? or cause sean payton came back?
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He did. they bought into his plan. Jones stuck his head in where it didn't belong is what I think. Ryan is a very good coach in my opinion.
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True. His defenses in Oakland and Cleveland were bad, but in Dallas, they were pretty good. Then he turned that D into a top 10 in New Orleans.
It's a combination of both, but i agree, the presence of Payton outweighs Ryan.
Sean Payton has nothing to do with the defense.
It's Rob Ryan, a scheme switch and players. Payton did nothing for the defense. Get it through your thick skull. The scheme switch helped Cam Jordan and Galette have great years. They added Keenan Lewis and Vaccaro to the secondary.
The point is. It wasn't fucking Payton alone.
And I don't give a flying fuck what Ryan did in any other shitty team.
It's Rob Ryan, a scheme switch and players. Payton did nothing for the defense. Get it through your thick skull. The scheme switch helped Cam Jordan and Galette have great years. They added Keenan Lewis and Vaccaro to the secondary.
The point is. It wasn't fucking Payton alone.
And I don't give a flying fuck what Ryan did in any other shitty team.
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so the head coach has no influence over the offense and defense? If the Lion's D or offense gets better this year Caldwell will have nothing to do with those improvements?
The defense, not very much. And certainly not the main reason for major defensive improvement. That would be the players, scheme and Teryl Austin.
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Over the years sometimes I wished on having a meddling owner over the alternative.
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Another example of a coach mattering for the teams defense. Bears with lovie smith. And with trestman. 17.3 ppg to 29.9
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