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[Spartanmack]

even though the mass shootings get 99% of the media attention, they aren't really a big problem when compared to the rest of the shooting deaths.

Over 11,500 people have been killed by guns already this year. According to this article, 57% of them were suicides. My guess is most of those would have happened with or without guns. That's a huge problem, but not a gun problem.

That leaves about 5,000 gun deaths so far this year. Mass shootings account for about 3% of those.

The 97% of 5,000 is the real problem.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-died-gun-violence-day-us-year/story?id=97382759

Not to mention most suicides and mass shootings involve hand guns, not AR-15s or other semi-automatic rifles.

 

[Michchamp]

Also, I just read an update in the NY Post that the FBI has stepped in and said they'd release the manifesto after review... but the locals are still claiming the shooter had targeted other schools. Guessing the local establishment (who likely include the rich presbyterians that send their kids to this school) has an interest in seeing the story buried, unless they can politically exploit it as anti-christian violence, without having to air their own dirty laundry.

Still no memo.

Even though the perpetrator is dead, and there is no active investigation or criminal trial, they're fighting to keep it sealed. Even a police group is suing to force them to release it (link)

 

[Spartanmack]

Still no memo.

Even though the perpetrator is dead, and there is no active investigation or criminal trial, they're fighting to keep it sealed. Even a police group is suing to force them to release it (link)

The local authorities say they?re withholding the manifesto due to a pending lawsuit. What they don?t mention is the lawsuit is being brought because the haven?t responded to freedom of information requests for the document. So they?re claiming that can?t release the manifesto because they?re being sued for not releasing the manifesto - and spending taxpayer money on the lawsuit.

As for your totally upside down and backward reasoning for why they?re not releasing the document - it would be hard to come up with a dumber take for why it?s not being released than that. They?re most likely not relaeasing it because it speaks to the pattern of violence from trans-identifying homicidal maniacs and it?s probably anti-Christian as well.

 

[Michchamp]

DALLAS, TX Come on Down!

9 dead, 7 wounded, some severely at one of those (awful) outlet malls. (link)

 

[tomdalton22]

DALLAS, TX Come on Down!

9 dead, 7 wounded, some severely at one of those (awful) outlet malls. (link)

sounds like an off duty police officer who was shopping at the mall, engaged and killed the shooter.

Gotta love police officers.

 

[Michchamp]

sounds like an off duty police officer who was shopping at the mall, engaged and killed the shooter.

Gotta love police officers.

yeah, it's good when they actually do their jobs and stop crimes in progress.

they should try doing that when they're on duty as well.

 

[tomdalton22]

yeah, it's good when they actually do their jobs and stop crimes in progress.

they should try doing that when they're on duty as well.

I was wrong. I guess the officer was on duty but already in the immediate area.

 

[Spartanmack]

I was wrong. I guess the officer was on duty but already in the immediate area.

He was probably looking for black people to murder or something like that.

 

[tinselwolverine]

He was probably looking for black people to murder or something like that.

Probably.

It always sucks when a white cop has to abandon his primary duty - murdering innocent black guys - to target and kill a heavily armored/weaponized brown guy who is on a killing spree.

When will the browns learn? White cops will get to them after they?ve murdered all the blacks! Be patient! Your time will come!

 

[Spartanmack]

Probably.

It always sucks when a white cop has to abandon his primary duty - murdering innocent black guys - to target and kill a heavily armored/weaponized brown guy who is on a killing spree.

When will the browns learn? White cops will get to them after they?ve murdered all the blacks! Be patient! Your time will come!

We can?t say for sure what the cop was doing at the mall but if he was just hanging around the Gucci or Louis Vuitton outlet it would be a lot harder to give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

[tinselwolverine]

We can?t say for sure what the cop was doing at the mall but if he was just hanging around the Gucci or Louis Vuitton outlet it would be a lot harder to give him the benefit of the doubt?

Or Prada.

I?ve heard it?s what the Devil wears.

 

[Michchamp]

what a fucking retard.

 

[tinselwolverine]

what a fucking retard.

Damn.

This is the first time a twitter link got me onto twitter since I logged out trying to prove to TigerMud how unimportant twitter is?and then was unable to log on again.

But I was right - twitter is unimportant.

 

[byco42]

what a retard.

I cannot account for this individual's misunderstanding of the purpose of prayer. God is not an ATM or a genie in a bottle. This statement he made is of such magnitudinal ignorance that it does nothing to advance the value of prayer nor diminish the efficacy of the prayers of those who understand what prayer is actually for. I pray every day for an end to abortion, and the conversion of sinners--it's part of my intentions of my daily Rosary. Yet abortion and sin rage on. But not because it's God's will, but because it's our own.

 

[byco42]

I'm beginning suspect this as a driver for these mass shootings.

Of course, the C I A states that it had "not been proved to work", which was of course, why it had funded remote viewing for 20-plus years. And it's common knowledge that the C I A edits Wiki, so it could easily manipulate the facts about Project Stargate.

I think that our Government, to quote Noah Cross, captures the rationale: "most people never have to face the fact that at the right time and the right place, they're capable of anything."

 

[Michchamp]

I'm beginning suspect this as a driver for these mass shootings.

Of course, the C I A states that it had "not been proved to work", which was of course, why it had funded remote viewing for 20-plus years. And it's common knowledge that the C I A edits Wiki, so it could easily manipulate the facts about Project Stargate.

I think that our Government, to quote Noah Cross, captures the rationale: "most people never have to face the fact that at the right time and the right place, they're capable of anything."

Eh... I don't know. I don't doubt that some government agency or agencies would run assassin training programs; and we know the CIA attempted mind control programs even farther back than that.

But I think the more mundane toxic brew of our political messaging, the widespread and relatively easy way to buy guns, and the way we structure our economy and educations system can explain it.

You give every overgrown toddler in America a gun, and you're going to get more shootings and more mass shootings, every time someone gets cut off in traffic, drunk and belligerent, fired from their job, dumped by their girlfriend, etc. etc.

 

[byco42]

Eh... I don't know. I don't doubt that some government agency or agencies would run assassin training programs; and we know the CIA attempted mind control programs even farther back than that.

I contend that they are still in play and more effective than ever.

But I think the more mundane toxic brew of our political messaging, the widespread and relatively easy way to buy guns, and the way we structure our economy and educations system can explain it.

I suspect that more than some of these mass shootings are contrived by our own government who spur the reaction of disarming the populace. Yes, it is capable of "anything." Including denying their involvement. So many of the events are similar in nature, including the responses of media and government that range well beyond "circumstantial" in similarity.

You give every overgrown toddler in America a gun, and you're going to get more shootings and more mass shootings, every time someone gets cut off in traffic, drunk and belligerent, fired from their job, dumped by their girlfriend, etc. etc.

Government agencies are more dangerous to me than an unhinged person with a firearm. And they will never be "outlawed".

If death is the measure of a "thing's" "lethality", then ban alcohol, which accounts for 150,000 deaths in the US annually, if you believe the CDC. Link Link

Not the mention the trauma it causes in families.

 

[Michchamp]

I contend that they are still in play and more effective than ever.



I suspect that more than some of these mass shootings are contrived by our own government who spur the reaction of disarming the populace. Yes, it is capable of "anything." Including denying their involvement. So many of the events are similar in nature, including the responses of media and government that range well beyond "circumstantial" in similarity.

this is bonkers.

I looked it up today, and sure enough gun sales have only risen over time, and the number of guns manufactured and gun manufacturers have also risen, significantly, over the last few decades. (there's a lot of information out there about this; abc news has a summary from 2022)

if the federal government actually wanted to disarm the people, when did they decide that? don't you think they'd actually try to LOWER those numbers first?

"Hey, let's take everybody's guns. But first, let's maximize the number of guns out there and make this already difficult task even more difficult."

Government agencies are more dangerous to me than an unhinged person with a firearm. And they will never be "outlawed".

If death is the measure of a "thing's" "lethality", then ban alcohol, which accounts for 150,000 deaths in the US annually, if you believe the CDC. Link Link

Not the mention the trauma it causes in families.

Now you're trying to compare alcohol abuse with shootings... I don't know what to say.

Sure alcohol abuse is a problem, but it's not like I can go kill a dozen people on the spur of the moment with a case of beer.

And your fear of the government... odd you don't fear the people pulling the strings of it, who can do it with impunity, even in cases like this, when the corruption is openly known and exposed, and efforts to combat it get no traction.

Fuck, a billionaire real estate heir (& Nazi sympathizer?) in Texas, can openly own a Supreme Court judge for decades, and no one in government can seemingly touch either of them, and you think GOVERNMENT POWER is the problem here?

it's like youre finally starting to come around to admitting there are fundamental flaws in our society, but you just can't let go of your preconceived ideas of who to blame.

The bank robbers are fleeing with giant sacks of money, bills blowing in the wind, right in front of your face, and you're like "Now, hold on, maybe it's those dang kids skateboarding on my sidewalk..."

 

[Spartanmack]

this is bonkers.

I looked it up today, and sure enough gun sales have only risen over time, and the number of guns manufactured and gun manufacturers have also risen, significantly, over the last few decades. (there's a lot of information out there about this; abc news has a summary from 2022)

if the federal government actually wanted to disarm the people, when did they decide that? don't you think they'd actually try to LOWER those numbers first?

"Hey, let's take everybody's guns. But first, let's maximize the number of guns out there and make this already difficult task even more difficult."

It's not the federal government that's increasing the number of guns or gunmakers. That should be as obvious as the fact that the federal government has been trying to get rid of guns - so far, and thankfully, unsuccessfully.

Now you're trying to compare alcohol abuse with shootings... I don't know what to say.

Sure alcohol abuse is a problem, but it's not like I can go kill a dozen people on the spur of the moment with a case of beer.

If someone drinks a case of beer and gets behind the wheel of their car they could kill a dozen people in pretty short order. Also, alcohol is a contributing factor to a large percentage of violent crimes including murder and including murder by firearms. According to this piece, about 40% of convicted murderers consumed alcohol before or during their crimes and according to this piece 40% of homicide victims had a positive BAC (26.2% had a BAC of .08% or higher). Another study referenced in that piece showed 53% of murder victims tested positive for consuming alcohol prior to the violent event while both the victim and perpetrator tested positive for alcohol in 44% of cases.

And your fear of the government... odd you don't fear the people pulling the strings of it, who can do it with impunity, even in cases like this, when the corruption is openly known and exposed, and efforts to combat it get no traction.

Fuck, a billionaire real estate heir (& Nazi sympathizer?) in Texas, can openly own a Supreme Court judge for decades, and no one in government can seemingly touch either of them, and you think GOVERNMENT POWER is the problem here?

it's like youre finally starting to come around to admitting there are fundamental flaws in our society, but you just can't let go of your preconceived ideas of who to blame.

The bank robbers are fleeing with giant sacks of money, bills blowing in the wind, right in front of your face, and you're like "Now, hold on, maybe it's those dang kids skateboarding on my sidewalk..."

How many cases did that Texas real estate billionaire have before the Supreme Court over the decades? How come you're going after Thomas when there's zero evidence he and Crow are anything more than good friends but turning a blind eye to Sotomayor who took millions from a publishing company while that publishing company had multiple cases before the court without recusing herself - cases Gorsuch recused himself from for taking less than 1/5th the money Sotomayor got from them? That's some pretty selective outrage there.

The fact that anyone can see all these instances of corruption and want to give the eminently corruptible government officials more power is insane. It's clearly you who just can't let go of your preconceived ideas of who to blame.

 

[Michchamp]

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If someone drinks a case of beer and gets behind the wheel of their car they could kill a dozen people in pretty short order. ...

LOL how often has that happened? Great analogy.