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Trade Jennings

nsonnett14

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It has always been my thought , that we would benefit the most by trading Jennings before the deadline to maximize his value . I understand hes a pretty good 6th man and all , but teams are looking for a legitimate starting PG and pry would be willing to pay a pretty good price . I think Blake is a more than capable backup , and besdes Jackson can play 32-35 minutes a game .

Im sure teams like the Knicks and Nets would love to have him . guess it all depends on what we would get back .
 
I'm sure he is wanted, but he hasn't performed well at all yet.

At this point, it may be worth it value wise to just keep him in hopes of him returning to form. It's that or trade him for next to nothing, unless teams actually give us something
 
Just an idea is all , but getting closer and closer to the deadline its probably gonna be a hot topic . He hasnt been awful , hes been just ok . But again hes not to far nto coming back from the injury . I could def see some teams wanting his services , either as a potential franchise PG or a weapon off the bench for a serious contender . Again it really all depends on what we could get back .... Im not taking a 2nd rounder or some bench fillers , im talking about a 1st rounder or someone who could be a key part of our rotation .
 
Agreed.

I've read rumors, so hopefully we can make something happen. I like Blake to be honest and I kind of wish we could snag an upgrade for Tolliver. I don't like him playing lol.

p.s. nice to see you back
 
haha well thanks , nice to be back ....oh man you dont like Tolliver ? I actually think hes alright . He comes in and plays his tail off and can hit the 3 ball . We could def upgrade tho , but i do appreciate what he does , or at least what he tries to do haha . We shall see , it wll be interesting to see how the deadline plays out and what we decide to do .
 
I know, but every game I watch.. He doesn't do well.

So it's a bias, I am sure.
 
So far Tolliver shot is just off. I don't mind trading or keeping jennings. I can see it both way for sure..
 
I'm not sure trading Jennings is in the team's best interest. Jennings, for his flaws an potential overlap with Reggie, is still the second best playmaker on the team. The team already struggles to score in general, and the bench has been terrible for most of the year. Jennings sticking as the 6th man gives the bench some life, and at least a chance to generate good looks when Drummond and Reggie sit. Losing Jennings means more Steve Blake, who should already be retired and looks like he's running in lead shoes.

Further, a Jennings trade can't solve the main problem the team faces: not enough Drummond. With Drummond on the floor, the Pistons are a good team that can hang with even better teams. When Drummond hits the bench, the Pistons turn into the Sixers. The development of the team as a whole will come down to growth potential. That is, finding pieces that fit early, but can develop into more well-rounded pieces. Stanley Johnson is that kind of piece, KCP might be. These are normally guys that you draft, rather than just pick up in FA or trades. If another team is willing to part with a young player on his rookie contract or a late first, then sure, move Jennings. But I just don't see it.

Side note: How long do we need to wait to question the wisdom of Reggie's contract. He's been good, but he plays almost ALL of his minutes with Drummond, whose mere presence gives him more room to work. The team has been fine in lineups without Reggie as long as Drummond is on the floor, but the opposite isn't even close. He still hasn't reached league average efficiency as a scorer, his passing has returned to normal (some may call this regression, but the sample size was never large enough to presume he had actually improved), and he's still minus defender. There is something to be said for the volume of shots he creates and takes, but most of that is old-school thinking. Wouldn't a healthy Jennings, or a lot of other average starting PGs be just as good with the same freedom and teammate (Drummond)?
 
I'm not sure trading Jennings is in the team's best interest. Jennings, for his flaws an potential overlap with Reggie, is still the second best playmaker on the team. The team already struggles to score in general, and the bench has been terrible for most of the year. Jennings sticking as the 6th man gives the bench some life, and at least a chance to generate good looks when Drummond and Reggie sit. Losing Jennings means more Steve Blake, who should already be retired and looks like he's running in lead shoes.

Further, a Jennings trade can't solve the main problem the team faces: not enough Drummond. With Drummond on the floor, the Pistons are a good team that can hang with even better teams. When Drummond hits the bench, the Pistons turn into the Sixers. The development of the team as a whole will come down to growth potential. That is, finding pieces that fit early, but can develop into more well-rounded pieces. Stanley Johnson is that kind of piece, KCP might be. These are normally guys that you draft, rather than just pick up in FA or trades. If another team is willing to part with a young player on his rookie contract or a late first, then sure, move Jennings. But I just don't see it.

Side note: How long do we need to wait to question the wisdom of Reggie's contract. He's been good, but he plays almost ALL of his minutes with Drummond, whose mere presence gives him more room to work. The team has been fine in lineups without Reggie as long as Drummond is on the floor, but the opposite isn't even close. He still hasn't reached league average efficiency as a scorer, his passing has returned to normal (some may call this regression, but the sample size was never large enough to presume he had actually improved), and he's still minus defender. There is something to be said for the volume of shots he creates and takes, but most of that is old-school thinking. Wouldn't a healthy Jennings, or a lot of other average starting PGs be just as good with the same freedom and teammate (Drummond)?

I think ya had a good post going until the Reggie comments . Not sure why you think he hasnt been everything we hoped for , and then some . Between him , Drummond , and id even say KCP we have a pretty good nucleus going


As for the other part , i agree f we dont get something great for Jennings then we def hold on to him , i just have a feeling theres some teams out there that really want him .
 
All I know is the team is a few pieces away from being really good..

Boy Svg was pissed after tonight's gsme...
 
I think ya had a good post going until the Reggie comments . Not sure why you think he hasnt been everything we hoped for , and then some . Between him , Drummond , and id even say KCP we have a pretty good nucleus going


As for the other part , i agree f we dont get something great for Jennings then we def hold on to him , i just have a feeling theres some teams out there that really want him .

On Jennings: Part of the problem is that the league is flush with quality PGs and potential young stars there. By a quick count (admittedly not a thorough examination), I only saw two teams in the league that definitely have worse PG situations than what Jennings provides (not counting LAL because Russel could be a PG) - New York and Brooklyn. Brooklyn has no picks, and their only young talent is also PG (what would be the point?). New York would never trade the kind of pick they'll have for Jennings, and they really don't have young talent either. I'd be happy for some team to fall in love with Jennings and give up too much for him. It's just, even if you have a team without a PG, history should tell you that they aren't hard to find these days.

On Jackson: "Everything we hoped for, and then some"? I guess we might have very different hopes. When we sign a player (any player) to a maximum contract, I expect that player to play like an all-star at least. If this was last year, you could easily point at Reggie dropping nearly 10 assists a game and say, "that guy creates offense like a star!" What does 6.6 assists say (11th NBA, 9th PG). It says he's good, I guess, but certainly not a star. What does 19.5 ppg say (26th NBA, 10th PG)? Again, that he shoots a lot, but not that he scores like a star. What does 53.1% TS say when the league average is 53.4%? The one thing Reggie does similarly to other star PGs is defend - of course, most star PGs are drastically skewed towards offense and are poor defenders, so thats not really a compliment.

It's really hard to say Reggie isn't massively overpaid when Isaiah Thomas (a superior player) makes less than half of what Reggie does.
 
the only way the Pistons get anything of value for Jennings is if a contender's PG goes down with a season ending injury.
 
I personally love Jennings, and his attitude/leadership. He calls it like he sees it, and the team seems to respond to him usually. However, signing Reggie basically eliminated any chance of the team keeping him in my opinion, so I think if you can move him for something relatively valuable, then you do it. The problem is he is very valuable to this team, and they will need him in the playoffs to have any chance of making it out of the 1st rd. So its a tough situation to be in for Van Gundy...
 
I think you have to move on from Jennings. I really like him as a player. He's an offensive spark. But you can't have two starting PGs on a roster, it's 2015. Jennings is going to demand a big payday, and you cannot throw him a contract.
 
I think you have to move on from Jennings. I really like him as a player. He's an offensive spark. But you can't have two starting PGs on a roster, it's 2015. Jennings is going to demand a big payday, and you cannot throw him a contract.

but this is the NBA...it's difficult to just trade a guy without taking back salary and typically that salary is a bad contract or multi year. My guess is he is more valuable to the Pistons as a backup for this year than anything they can get in return UNLESS a contending team becomes DESPERATE due to an injury to their starter.
 
I think you have to move on from Jennings. I really like him as a player. He's an offensive spark. But you can't have two starting PGs on a roster, it's 2015. Jennings is going to demand a big payday, and you cannot throw him a contract.
This is a ridiculous statement. Jennings has next to zero trade value with his large contact, and he has almost no chance of signing a huge contact in the possession until he can prove that he's back to 100%. Until then, the most I see him being from any team, including the Pistons, is a short ?prove it? type of contact. If that's the case his best bet is to stay in Detroit where he is comfortable with the system and his teammates.

I agree with Tom that the only way he gets traded is if another team's starting PG has a season ending injury and said team is either making a playoff or title push.
 
Hey boss, you see anywhere in my statement where I said "trade Jennings?"

You have to move on from him, because they cannot afford two starting PG salaries. He's going to demand a huge contract, and the Pistons cannot afford him, especially with Drummond's contract coming, and he's going to be a max player.

And he'll get paid somewhere. This is the NBA.
 
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I do like jennings a bit. He told it like it is last night after the debacle in easy town. Does the team lack locker room leadership? Heck idk but jennings mentioned it in his post game interview. Teams always want point guards. But it appears we may be stuck with him for a bit
 
Hey boss, you see anywhere in my statement where I said "trade Jennings?"

You have to move on from him, because they cannot afford two starting PG salaries. He's going to demand a huge contract, and the Pistons cannot afford him, especially with Drummond's contract coming, and he's going to be a max player.

And he'll get paid somewhere. This is the NBA.

I doubt he gets a big payday next year. How many teams are there that Jennings would be an improvement over what they currently have? He's under sized, a bad defender and really not a good shooter (39% career fg%)
 
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