Trump Bans Coronavirus with Executive Order

[Monster]

actually, the rate will go down once testing gets up to speed. For every documented case in the US there will likely be 10 more people that got it and showed little or no symptoms at all and never got tested. These people will most likely be immune going forward. I heard on the news that there is supposed to be some finger prick test in the coming weeks that will be able to test you to see if you were exposed/had the disease.

It will go down until people testing positive start dying again.

 

[Michchamp]

It will go down until people testing positive start dying again.

yeah, that's the thing. Testing doesn't stop it, unless you test almost everyone, with a method that produces results within an hour or so, AND keep those who test positive home. South Korea is doing this, and is the only nation to get a handle on it.

Our shit country can't even figure out how to get enough tests and the right ones. Our leadership is actively harmful to us.

And with the tests we have, a lot of people getting tested here are waiting for days to get their results back. and if they're not immediately isolating after the test, in an environment that is COVID-19 free, they could very well be getting it, or spreading it in the time between taking the test and getting the results!!!

Dumbass Rand Paul took his test, THEN went to the senate pool and cafeteria, then got his positive results five hours later. Unfuckingbelievable.

So, from what I've read, since we're not employing widespread fast testing, the only way we can be sure we're slowing the spread and starting to get this under control is when the increase in the deaths per day slows down.


Right now it's still increasing. By a lot. And hospitals in some cities are at or nearing capacity.

 

[Michchamp]

This article in Buzzfeed cites a doctor and guidance in NY and LA that we're not testing people who die, or auditing the numbers to make sure they're accurate, so we're actually under-reporting the number of deaths tied to COVID-19. (link):

In California, one ER doctor who works at multiple hospitals in a hard-hit county told BuzzFeed News, “those medical records aren't being audited by anyone at the state and local level currently and some people aren’t even testing those people who are dead.”

“We just don't know. The numbers are grossly underreported. I know for a fact that we’ve had three deaths in one county where only one is listed on the website,” the doctor said.
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And two of the hardest-hit areas in the nation — New York City and Los Angeles County — released guidance earlier this week encouraging doctors not to test patients unless they think the test will significantly change their course of treatment. That means that potentially more people in both places could be admitted to hospitals with severe respiratory symptoms and recover — or die — and not be registered as a coronavirus case.
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Doctors and nurses working in several hospitals around the country, who spoke with BuzzFeed News on the condition of not being named out of fear of repercussions, said that the official counts of COVID-19 related deaths are not comprehensive for three main reasons: a lack of tests and protective equipment means not everyone who contracted or dies of COVID-19 is diagnosed; overwhelmed hospitals may be running behind on reporting the numbers to state and county authorities; and some hospitals reporting their totals on a daily basis say they’re not being reflected promptly in county and state reports.​

Well, that's one way to claim this isn't as deadly as people think!

Just let them die, bury them in a big pit, get back to eating out at shitty restaurants like Red Robin & Chilis, and buy a bunch of shit at the mall so we can make sure Trump gets re-elected.

Worth it even if >10% of the population over 65 fuckin' dies and a not-insignificant number of those below 65 also die or gets hospitalized and left with reduced lung capacity for the rest of their lives... :tup:

 

[Thumb]

yeah, that's what I'm saying - it's absurd to use these 5% and 30x as deadly as the flu nonsense. The rate is clearly far lower than "deaths/confirmed cases" It's fear mongering.

It's dipshits like you who refuse to take this seriously, that will cause it to go on even longer. You're not a doctor, yet you have no problem arguing with medical professionals about the statistics, and then have the gall to blame the "media" for spreading mis-information.

You sir, are a first class moron

 

[tomdalton22]

It's dipshits like you who refuse to take this seriously, that will cause it to go on even longer. You're not a doctor, yet you have no problem arguing with medical professionals about the statistics, and then have the gall to blame the "media" for spreading mis-information.

You sir, are a first class moron

how do you know he isn't following all of the rules to stop the spread of the disease but just questioning what people are saying about it? I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do...question the people that are telling us what is going on when they themselves don't really have a clue. After all, we are being told many different things by people that seem to be very well qualified.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I?m shocked you go to a right wing source for your information lol ? Have they Reported on how many times Trump, and his administration has lied ? The daily wire is right bias. Pretty easy to see if your not blind.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/

Right lies, left lies. What's the difference.

 

[tinselwolverine]

actually, the rate will go down once testing gets up to speed. For every documented case in the US there will likely be 10 more people that got it and showed little or no symptoms at all and never got tested.

Governor Cuomo of New York said something like this.

I had flu like symptoms in January ? and I like, virtually never get sick.

Maybe I had it and now I?m immune.

 

[Michchamp]

Governor Cuomo of New York said something like this.

I had flu like symptoms in January ? and I like, virtually never get sick.

Maybe I had it and now I?m immune.

Or maybe you had it, and now you got reduced testicular function


:ugh:

 

[tinselwolverine]

Or maybe you had it, and now you got reduced testicular function


:ugh:

Or maybe enhanced.

There is so much that is unknown at this point.

 

[Spartanmack]

I’m shocked you go to a right wing source for your information lol ? Have they Reported on how many times Trump, and his administration has lied ? The daily wire is right bias. Pretty easy to see if your not blind.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/

Are you shocked by the source or by the content. Did you read the transcript or listen to the video? No, instead you attack the source. Well done Bob, you're good at this.

There's a difference between being biased (Ben Shapiro openly acknowledges his conservative bias) and being wrong. Do you understand that?

 

[Spartanmack]

It's dipshits like you who refuse to take this seriously, that will cause it to go on even longer. You're not a doctor, yet you have no problem arguing with medical professionals about the statistics, and then have the gall to blame the "media" for spreading mis-information.

You sir, are a first class moron

Apparently, you haven't read any of my other posts on here about the virus. I'm taking this very seriously, dipshit and have said so on here many times. I have said I do think we are overreacting, particularly all the doomsday predictors and apoplectic talking heads in the media. But I have never once said people shouldn't follow a single one of the recommendations for preventing the spread of this virus. My wife is the primary care giver for her compromised elderly mother, she and my kids used to see her almost daily. Now, she is doing it by phone with her dad and has only visited once in the last 2 weeks, and even then just to drop some stuff off at their back door. My family is kept isolated from anyone not living in our home, I go to work but I'm one of two people in my office. We're not seeing clients face-to-face or attending any meetings other than teleconferences and webexes. My assistant is always at least 12' from me and separated by a wall. She is also isolated at home with her husband and children who aren't going to work or school. Both her and her husbands parents have passed and they aren't exposed to anyone outside their families. In about a week, when my firm adds capacity for assistants to work from home, she will no longer come into the office until it's safe to resume normal operations.

Also, I've yet to argue with a single medical professional about any data but I wouldn't necessarily not argue with some of them - being a doctor doesn't automatically make them right. I have argued with plenty of morons like you who overreact to incomplete information because it's fun for me to make fun idiots, particularly ones that jump to conclusions (unnecessarily, as I've already said most of this here) and say stupid shit like you tend to do.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I worry mostly, well after dying anyways, is food. My go to grocery store is out of eggs, bananas, Milk and a bunch of other stuff.

 

[tigermud]

Ultimately a more measured approached will need to be taken, the current total lock down that some are wanting to keep in place for months as compared to weeks is not substantially and will cause more death than the virus itself.

Just where to you stand on this debate in general for most does tend to fall along the lines of if you hate trump or not.

Forget Everything And Run or Face Everything And Rise. The choice is yours

 

[Spartanmack]

yeah, that's the thing. Testing doesn't stop it, unless you test almost everyone, with a method that produces results within an hour or so, AND keep those who test positive home. South Korea is doing this, and is the only nation to get a handle on it.

Our shit country can't even figure out how to get enough tests and the right ones. Our leadership is actively harmful to us.

And with the tests we have, a lot of people getting tested here are waiting for days to get their results back. and if they're not immediately isolating after the test, in an environment that is COVID-19 free, they could very well be getting it, or spreading it in the time between taking the test and getting the results!!!

Dumbass Rand Paul took his test, THEN went to the senate pool and cafeteria, then got his positive results five hours later. Unfuckingbelievable.

So, from what I've read, since we're not employing widespread fast testing, the only way we can be sure we're slowing the spread and starting to get this under control is when the increase in the deaths per day slows down.


Right now it's still increasing. By a lot. And hospitals in some cities are at or nearing capacity.

have you idiots ever taken a math class? Testing won't do anything to stop the virus or decrease fatalities or the actual death rate. The death rates you morons are using are based on incomplete information - i.e. bad math, "garbage in, garbage out". When we start testing, we'll get more complete information and a more accurate death rate. Virtually every expert has said we are likely to find out way more people are infected with this virus - again, that doesn't make them more likely to die - so the denominator (that's the number on the bottom) gets bigger while the numerator (the number on top) stays roughly the same, maybe goes up but not by much. As a result the death rate goes down.

I have to say the idea that there are a material number of Coronavirus deaths that will be unreported, skewing the real numbers is almost as laughably stupid as you theory that cops are hunting down and murdering black people and covering them up so they go unreported. You're already planting the seed for another paranoid conspiracy theory.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm curious to see the evidence debunking it. please post.

again, when we start getting more testing, you'll see the evidence. Until then, go ahead and keep screaming about how the sky is falling - it makes you look really smart.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ultimately a more measured approached will need to be taken, the current total lock down that some are wanting to keep in place for months as compared to weeks is not substantially and will cause more death than the virus itself.

Just where to you stand on this debate in general for most does tend to fall along the lines of if you hate trump or not.

Forget Everything And Run or Face Everything And Rise. The choice is yours

It's not really about the hate of Trump. These days its never about doing whats right or opinion on what's right but doing whatever goes again the other party. Trump "I have a cure" half the country will hate him and always be against him. Obama "I have a cure" half the country will hate him and always be against him.

 

[Spartanmack]

as far as overwhelming the hospitals, this is true. From what I understand is because the very sick need vents. People that die from the flu don't need this treatment. Also, 100% of hospital workers get an annual flu shot, so they are not susceptible to get sick from people that have the flu. Hospital staff are getting sick which impacts their ability to treat.

As far as it being twice as contagious as the flu as some have stated...that might not be true either. Since about 50% of people get flu shots, those people probably aren't getting the flu. If 50% of the people got a corona shot it probably wouldn't be as contagious...probably...just a guess.

it's not without it's challenges and it's not "not big deal" nor did I ever say it was. BUT, if people follow the protocols, and we continue to address the problems, I'm taking the under on the outlandish number of infections and number of fatalities people are predicting.

As far as the response goes, I think it's been pretty impressive. Anyone who thinks it's Trumps fault that we have a shortage of ventilators is beyond stupid and anyone who thinks what they've done to get companies to build them and other medical products in short supply has been slow or inadequate is equally dumb. The critics who are lambasting him for not closing the borders sooner are the same shitheads who called him a racist and a xenophobe for restricting travel to/from China in January. There's a subset of the population who you will never be able to win approval from and that's based entirely on the letter R after your name. Fuck 'em, they're almost always wrong anyway.

 

[tigermud]

have you idiots ever taken a math class? Testing won't do anything to drive down the death rate. The death rates you morons are using are based on incomplete information - i.e. bad math, "garbage in, garbage out". When we start testing, we'll get more complete information and are likely to find out way more people are infected with this virus - again, that doesn't make them more likely to die - so the denominator (that's the number on the bottom) gets bigger while the numerator (the number on top) stays roughly the same, maybe goes up but not by much. As a result the death rate goes down.

testing has really ramped up big time last couple of days, we'll end up with by far the most confirmed cases in the world as we are doing the best job getting people tested now than any other country on the planet.

 

[tigermud]

It's not really about the hate of Trump. These days its never about doing whats right or opinion on what's right but doing whatever goes again the other party. Trump "I have a cure" half the country will hate him and always be against him. Obama "I have a cure" half the country will hate him and always be against him.

IMO this is way too far and very unreasonable. Not even outside by yourself? crazy total insanity.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/0...ations-to-be-issued-parks-could-be-shut-down/

 

[tinselwolverine]

IMO this is way too far and very unreasonable. Not even outside by yourself? crazy total insanity.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/0...ations-to-be-issued-parks-could-be-shut-down/

She has to stand tough.

Because she?s a black lesbian, Chicagoans will challenge her every move.