Trump & Iran

[tomdalton22]

So, where do all of you stand on this? We have threads about the stupid shit going around in politics, but IMO, this is some serious shit.

 

[Spartanmack]

Personally, I thought taking out the mastermind behind the deaths of hundreds of US troops and maiming thousands more, one of the world's leading terrorists who was actively planning attacks on US military and civilian targets in the region including the US embassay in Iraq was a good idea. But then I went on twitter and heard from left wing brain trust folks like AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Rose McGowan and learned this probably makes Trump a war criminal, even though he has powers granted by Congress to do exactly what he did, and we need to apologize to Iran for murdering one of their best citizens so we can one day hope to have peace with them.

Maybe the best part about this was all the idiots in the media cheering that Trump was having his own Benghazi, willfully ignorant to the fact that Clinton and Obama left the folks in Benghazi to fend for themselves letting 4 Americans die needlessly while Trump did the exact opposite, acted decisively, immediately sent support and took out the guys planning the attacks. As a result, he didn't have to make up a story about why the attack happened in the first place.

 

[biggunsbob]

Wag the dog. It’s a election year. Let’s drum up support

Trump is a hypocrite as he complained about Obama doing the same thing. It’s a election year and he is just drumming up support. Same shit over and over again. It just fuels more hatred of Americans. This shit is just short term thinking to get reelected. Trump is just doing what said shouldn’t be done.

 

[tigermud]

It's very serious. And all the Trump hate in the world still doesn't give us a better option from anything I can currently see. Appeasement didn't work either. earth population in 2038 will be approx 500 million



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlcsuJtXYkM

 

[biggunsbob]

Any functioning adult would be better then Trump. The guy is a criminal. Shame on the GOP for backing a clown this.

 

[Spartanmack]

Wag the dog. It?s a election year. Let?s drum up support

Trump is a hypocrite as he complained about Obama doing the same thing. It?s a election year and he is just drumming up support. Same shit over and over again. It just fuels more hatred of Americans. This shit is just short term thinking to get reelected. Trump is just doing what said shouldn?t be done.

Trump was already getting reelected thanks to the impeachment nonsense. And how could he have complained about Obama doing the same thing? Obama kowtowed to Iran, gave them leeway to continue their nuc program and handed over $2B in cash so they could fund terror attacks against the US and our allies. Even you can see that Trump's not doing the same thing.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don’t feel like my life has changed a lot.

I’m glad we got them as opposed to them getting us.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's very serious. And all the Trump hate in the world still doesn't give us a better option from anything I can currently see. Appeasement didn't work either. earth population in 2038 will be approx 500 million



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlcsuJtXYkM

what Tucker doesn't seem to get is it's OK to punch back. It is simple, taking out a guy whose job it is to kill American soldiers and civilians isn't regime change, it's what the President and Congress are supposed to do. At least one of those 2 is willing to hit back.

 

[tinselwolverine]

what Tucker doesn't seem to get is it's OK to punch back. It is simple, taking out a guy whose job it is to kill American soldiers and civilians isn't regime change, it's what the President and Congress are supposed to do. At least one of those 2 is willing to hit back.

I thought Carlson was supposed to be just another Fox News lackey, completely in the bag for the worst ever party in the world ever, the Trump GOP, and it wasn?t even close.

Watching that clip was pretty much a waste of seven minutes and change of my life, however, Carlson does say something a little amusing @ 6:24 that made it a little better.

 

[Spartanmack]

I thought Carlson was supposed to be just another Fox News lackey, completely in the bag for the worst ever party in the world ever, the Trump GOP, and it wasn?t even close.

Watching that clip was pretty much a waste of seven minutes and change of my life, however, Carlson does say something a little amusing @ 6:24 that made it a little better.

he's anti-interventionist. he also thinks govt has a role to play on regulating automation to prevent workers from being replaced by robots.

as for the comments starting around 6:24, again what i dont think he gets is Trump didn't attack Iran's nuc program, he authorized a targetted strike against a terrorist who was actively plotting attacks against US citizens and interests. Those poll numbers he quoted arent all that meaningful or relevant to killing Soleimani.

 

[tinselwolverine]

he's anti-interventionist. he also thinks govt has a role to play on regulating automation to prevent workers from being replaced by robots.

Damn.

I want to find a robot to do my job.

I?d just find me a young betty and go surfing all day.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEyg4kzMxaA

Everyone on this board should watch the Tucker Carlson clip @6:24 for a few seconds. Everyone here will be amused.

 

[tigermud]

Any functioning adult would be better then Trump. The guy is a criminal. Shame on the GOP for backing a clown this.

Wrong

 

[tinselwolverine]

Any functioning adult would be better then Trump. The guy is a criminal. Shame on the GOP for backing a clown this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnGw9ZJd-o

 

[Michchamp]

Personally, I thought taking out the mastermind behind the deaths of hundreds of US troops and maiming thousands more, one of the world's leading terrorists who was actively planning attacks on US military and civilian targets in the region including the US embassay in Iraq was a good idea. ...

I've heard this repeated ad nauseum, but haven't seen any evidence supporting it, short of the same sort of unsourced "intelligence sources speaking off the record"; after almost 20 years of this war on terror bullshit, I'm surprised you'd simply repeat this without questioning whether it's actually true or not.

The Iraqi Parliament - which we installed! - just voted to expel American troops (link)

And regardless, weird Soleimani is suddenly this huge threat - enough to justify murdering him in a drone strike - and it's like the first we've heard about him.

My takes: We were the bad guys when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and we're still in both, and we're still the bad guys. This is pretty much self-apparent; we invaded each country.

vis-a-vis Iran - going back to 1954, we've been the bad guys there too. We helped the British overthrow a democratically elected government because they claimed their own oil. Bad Iranians! Then when they threw out our puppet leader in the late 70's, we've been constantly aggressive toward them, supporting Saddam Hussein in a war against them, sinking their navy, shooting down an Iranian airliner, holding them under sanctions nearly constantly since then, seizing their assets, hitting them with cyber attacks, etc. And now this...

Our "Defense" department is completely out of control, ungovernable, and focused solely on creating additional conflict around the world to justify our unbelievably excessive military spending.

Trump is a hapless dipshit, floundering around, being misled by his advisers into a war they want, and he previously claimed he didn't.

Assassinating opposing leaders is a bad idea. I don't even know why this needs to be said. But even if you're so morally depraved you can support this as a means to an end, it simply doesn't work; the idea that you can "Decapitate" an adversary, and they just quietly go away is not born out by any evidence. Entire books have been written about this, but it creates additional conflict and fighting, and if your goal is justifying additional "defense" spending, it makes sense...

A war with Iran is a terrible idea. It's been a terrible idea for years; the only reason I can think that the Neo-cons haven't gotten us into that one yet, is because there have been enough sober minds in the Pentagon to keep us out of it, see, e.g. Gen. Paul Van Riper, and the Millennium Challenge. I linked to the wikipedia entries on both, but there has been a lot written about both elsewhere.

 

[Michchamp]

Wrong

No, he's right.

 

[Michchamp]

I really hope people who are in favor of these endless, aggresive, occupational wars start enlisting themselves. Or making sure their kids do when they turn 18. We can keep track starting now.

No more of this chickenhawk bullshit "other people need to go fight this"... man up, internet tough guys. Or STFU.

 

[tigermud]

Flynn was set up and chased from the WH in 2017, we then ended up with Bolton who later left but this wasn't good. Trump is now surrounded by neocons. The queen and her minions wouldn't except defeat and in the end. end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

 

[tigermud]

Couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/world/middleeast/cia-iran-dark-prince-michael-dandrea.html

biblical

 

[tinselwolverine]

And regardless, weird Soleimani is suddenly this huge threat - enough to justify murdering him in a drone strike - and it's like the first we've heard about him.

Well, if nobody?s ever heard of him, then probably nobody?s gonna miss him either.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've heard this repeated ad nauseum, but haven't seen any evidence supporting it, short of the same sort of unsourced "intelligence sources speaking off the record"; after almost 20 years of this war on terror bullshit, I'm surprised you'd simply repeat this without questioning whether it's actually true or not.

The Iraqi Parliament - which we installed! - just voted to expel American troops (link)

And regardless, weird Soleimani is suddenly this huge threat - enough to justify murdering him in a drone strike - and it's like the first we've heard about him.

My takes: We were the bad guys when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and we're still in both, and we're still the bad guys. This is pretty much self-apparent; we invaded each country.

vis-a-vis Iran - going back to 1954, we've been the bad guys there too. We helped the British overthrow a democratically elected government because they claimed their own oil. Bad Iranians! Then when they threw out our puppet leader in the late 70's, we've been constantly aggressive toward them, supporting Saddam Hussein in a war against them, sinking their navy, shooting down an Iranian airliner, holding them under sanctions nearly constantly since then, seizing their assets, hitting them with cyber attacks, etc. And now this...

Our "Defense" department is completely out of control, ungovernable, and focused solely on creating additional conflict around the world to justify our unbelievably excessive military spending.

Trump is a hapless dipshit, floundering around, being misled by his advisers into a war they want, and he previously claimed he didn't.

Assassinating opposing leaders is a bad idea. I don't even know why this needs to be said. But even if you're so morally depraved you can support this as a means to an end, it simply doesn't work; the idea that you can "Decapitate" an adversary, and they just quietly go away is not born out by any evidence. Entire books have been written about this, but it creates additional conflict and fighting, and if your goal is justifying additional "defense" spending, it makes sense...

A war with Iran is a terrible idea. It's been a terrible idea for years; the only reason I can think that the Neo-cons haven't gotten us into that one yet, is because there have been enough sober minds in the Pentagon to keep us out of it, see, e.g. Gen. Paul Van Riper, and the Millennium Challenge. I linked to the wikipedia entries on both, but there has been a lot written about both elsewhere.

that is so strange that you're not on the CIA or State Department intelligence briefing distribution list - you should write to your congressperson and ask to get added. Since you haven't seen the actual intelligence, I guess it must not be true, he's probably a really good guy who Trump decided to kill and then frame for murdering US troops in order to win an election he was already going to win. Seriously though, if you think it's only unnamed intelligence sources speaking off the record, you're not paying attention or you're a willfully ignorant dipshit (I'm going with the latter). Soleimani was identified by the Obama State Department as one of the world's most dangerous terrorists. It's known that he has masterminded terrorist attacks against US troops in the region, is responsible for ordering the murder of peaceful protestors in his own country. That's documented, verified intelligence - not anonymous sources.

The Iraqi Parliament was not installed by us - it's members were elected by popular vote. Iraq is a mostly Shi'ite country that for years was dominated by Sunnis in the Baath party. Now that the Baath party is out of favor, the majority Shi'ites have aligned themselves with Iran and have become increasingly hostile to the US.

No, it's not weird dispshit, he has a history of killing Americans through supported terror attacks and was actively planning the ongoing assault on our embassy. We had an opportunity to disrupt his currently ongoing plans by taking him out and did. He's not an assassinated head of state or even civil leader, he's a military leader actively plotting attacks against the US - that makes him a legitimate target.

As for your takes on this - they're as dumb as your takes on economics, domestic politics, religion, Brandon Peters and just about everything else. We weren't the bad guys when we invaded Afghanistan - they were a brutal murderous regime harboring a terrorist organization who murdered 3k innocent Americans and refused to give him up.

The rest of your post is just more equally moronic drivel.

Trump has said he doesn't want war with Iran nor is he interested in regime change. He killed a terrorist who has and was continuing to kill Americans. Iran's response has been to threaten US targets in the middle east and here at home, to which he responded appropriately. It's called hitting back and when you hit back against an enemy who is actively seeking to kill US soldiers and civilians, it's probably a good idea to hit back with disproportionate force.