Trump rallies... yikes.

[Michchamp]

some people will dismiss it as hyperbole, but the comparisons to fascism start to make sense when you see them start to use violence to kick out dissenters or even just people who step 18 inches out of the box.

Trump's willingness to pander to the mob, including it's most racist and violent elements is why I'd rather see any other GOP candidate win the nomination.

it's ominous Trump has started getting endorsed... the real sociopaths out there are seeing the potential in a Trump administration, I think.

 

[kalinecountry]

I received this in an email from a friend a couple of days ago.
However anyone feels about who wrote it, what side of the political fence, I just wanted to put it here and see what the rest of you think.

Like
> him or not Trump does have some thought provoking ideas
> about how to do things. Please take your time
> to read this interesting and currently alive important
> article. Read to the end and suggest you forward
> it..
>
>
>
> Written by the
> distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald Trump.
> I think you will find it very interesting and
> alarming. You might want to take the time to read it.
>
> PHD -
> Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan
> Cultural studies at the distinguished and renown Heritage
> Foundation
>
> Interesting take on
> Trump.
> William J. Bennett,
> Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one
> of America's most important, influential, and respected
> voices on cultural, political, and education issues.
> He has one of the strongest Christian world views of
> any writer in modern times.
>
> What I
> See Happening In a Trump Presidency
> By Bill Bennett
>
> "They will kill
> him before they let him be president. It could be a
> Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of
> Trump.
>
> Don?t be surprised
> if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very
> nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder,
> Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
>
> It's about the
> unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and
> big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars
> from this partnership, and it's in all of their
> interests to protect one another. It's one for all and
> all for one. It?s a heck of a filthy relationship
> that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the
> American people. We get ripped off. We?re the
> patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal
> and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The
> over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both
> parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America
> has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they
> are all threatened and frightened.
>
> Donald
> Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to
> the contrary, the media, business, and political elite
> understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually
> win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
>
> It's no
> coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The
> Donald. It's because most of the other politicians
> are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big,
> but they won?t change a thing. They are all beholden
> to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists,
> unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and
> multinational corporations ? like Big Pharmacy or Big
> Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by
> foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign
> governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation
> donations.
>
> These
> run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets
> owned by big money. But there's one man who
> isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who
> doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or
> George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the
> teacher's union, or the Service Employees International
> Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
>
> Billionaire tycoon and
> maverick Donald Trump doesn?t need anyone?s help.
> That means he doesn?t care what the media says. He
> doesn?t care what the corporate elites think. That
> makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests.
> That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump
> can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their
> spoiled slave masters.
>
> Don?t you ever
> wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama?
> Don?t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk
> a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama?
> Don?t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet
> has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama?s clearly
> illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal
> aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
>
> First,
> I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed.
> Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being
> blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or
> secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National
> Security Agency knows everything.
>
> Ask
> former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The
> government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his
> own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC,
> the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies
> are watching every Republican political leader. They
> surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are
> petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to
> ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone
> demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the
> boat? After defeat or retirement, if you?re a good
> old boy, you?ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job
> waiting. The big-money interests have the system
> gamed. Win or lose, they win.
>
> But
> Trump doesn?t play by any of these rules. Trump
> breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big
> government, big media, and big business. All the rules
> are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The
> other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not
> Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly
> questioned Obama's birth certificate. He
> questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre
> student got into an Ivy League university. Now,
> he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to
> do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico;
> he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's
> questioning why no wall has been built across the border;
> he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens
> into America is in our best interests; he's questioning
> why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are
> not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals
> with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
>
> Trump
> has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always
> get the short end of the stick. Good question!
> I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the
> almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to
> college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to
> build the defective Obamacare website. By the way,
> that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if
> Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for
> selling it by lying. Trump will investigate
> Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention
> Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute
> Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi
> before the election. How about the fraud committed by
> employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic
> job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012
> election?
>
> Obama,
> the multinational corporations and the media need to stop
> Trump. They recognize this could get out of
> control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and
> asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could
> wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a
> nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No
> one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will
> not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at
> the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is
> over. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up
> in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison.
> Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing
> $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up
> in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes
> from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for
> misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department,
> or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level
> management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
>
> Obamacare will be
> de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up
> ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will
> investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go
> after everyone involved. That?s why the dogs of hell
> have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
>
> Yes,
> it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left
> and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm
> his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the
> coming debates. But they can't silence him.
> And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they
> try, the more the public will realize that he's the one
> telling the truth".
>
>
>
>
> Please don't delay
> in forwarding to your fellow Americans...
> THANK YOU for deleting
> my address, any other addresses and personal information
> from this e-mail before forwarding it. and also
> for using "Bcc" instead of "To" and
> "Cc" when initiating group e-mails. This
> prevents spammers and hackers from obtaining addresses and
> reduces the proliferation of spam.
>
>
>

 

[byco42]

I don't like the devil I know but I like the one I don't know even less. The Experiment is over and it's taken 100 years for it to fail. Maybe it's time to start over.

 

[Michchamp]

there was an article (can't find it now) describing how Trump is following the playbook Pat Buchanan was handed in '96, but didn't have the fortitude (or maybe it's reckless, narcissism) to follow, and was marginalized because of that by Bob Dole and the GOP establishment.

it was written by a proto-Tea Partier that basically echoed the racist populism of candidates of decades past, kinda like George Wallace or even older nativist parties. it involved attacking the rich, free trade agreements, and saying the quiet parts about race and racism out loud. Trump has followed it to a T.

 

[Michchamp]

KC - I have a lot of thoughts on your post, but for now, the one thing that jumps out at me is the ridiculous notion that there is a "socialist cabal" or power on the left equal to the power structure on the Right.

if there is a socialist cabal out there, it's been doing a very poor job advancing its interests for decades. you can't argue with the trends in income taxation, wealth disparity, the dramatic fall in union membership (and political power), decline in middle class and lower class life expectancy. all those things undermine any argument that the Left is in the driver's seat or as Trump's email suggests, equally blameworthy for the plight of middle class Americans.

 

[Spartanmack]

The left is definitely not equally blameworthy for the plight of the middle class - they easily get the lion's share of it.

 

[Michchamp]

The left is definitely not equally blameworthy for the plight of the middle class - they easily get the lion's share of it.

yes we know. because food stamps, right? they made everybody lazy. people were just lining up tonget their food stamps and go eat lobster and steak instead of working.

and taxes. taxes are higher than ever.

and unions. we've all heard about how there's an autoworker in Flint who makes $35/hour and has a vacation cottage and a boat. so unions are bad.

and teachers' unions... boy oh boy. don't get me started.

these things are all FACTS and liberals can't argue with them...

 

[tigermud]

some people will dismiss it as hyperbole, but the comparisons to fascism start to make sense when you see them start to use violence to kick out dissenters or even just people who step 18 inches out of the box.

Trump's willingness to pander to the mob, including it's most racist and violent elements is why I'd rather see any other GOP candidate win the nomination.

it's ominous Trump has started getting endorsed... the real sociopaths out there are seeing the potential in a Trump administration, I think.

here is an oldie but goody that summarizes my thoughts on the establishment ganging up on trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ

 

[Spartanmack]

yes we know. because food stamps, right? they made everybody lazy. people were just lining up tonget their food stamps and go eat lobster and steak instead of working.

and taxes. taxes are higher than ever.

and unions. we've all heard about how there's an autoworker in Flint who makes $35/hour and has a vacation cottage and a boat. so unions are bad.

and teachers' unions... boy oh boy. don't get me started.

these things are all FACTS and liberals can't argue with them...

you're starting to catch on. According the liberal Brookings Institute, there are 3 things you need to do to not be poor in America - finish high school, get a job and keep it and don't have kids until you're married. Poverty rates among single parent households are multiples higher than homes with two parents regardless of race - but thanks to American welfare programs, single parent rates, particularly among minorities have skyrocketed. For example, among black Americans, single parent homes have gone from below 20% before welfare to nearly 70% today. Similar trends can be seen across races and it's the single best predicter of poverty in America.

These are the result of policies you support - and they affect minorities disproportionately, which is why it's so funny to hear you accuse other people of being racist. But the left relies heavily on the poor - they need a permanent class of poor people in order to stay in power. Conservatives have no use for a permanently poor people - economic mobility would only benefit conservative politicians. You grant poor people, minorities in particular, victim status (if they're victims, they're victims of racist scumbags like you) and you tell them it's rich peoples' fault and you will take care of them. Leftists villainize wealthy people and pit the poor they don't care about against them to win elections to further empower and often enrich themselves. It's really that simple.

And yes, unions, ridiculously high corporate taxes and excessive regulation have done just as much to destroy the middle class as welfare has to keep people from getting there. The high cost of labor and managing to often absurd regulations has driven jobs overseas - not CEOs paying themselves with the savings from labor - how many CEOs do you think there are anyway? It's not corporate greed, it's good stewardship of capital managing around policies and programs you support.

These are all FACTS and you don't have a good argument against them. So yeah, the left takes the lion's share of the blame you racist dumbass.

 

[TheVictors]

Sounds like Bill Bennett has come up with quite the conspiracy ...

 

[biggunsbob]

I received this in an email from a friend a couple of days ago.
However anyone feels about who wrote it, what side of the political fence, I just wanted to put it here and see what the rest of you think.

Like
> him or not Trump does have some thought provoking ideas
> about how to do things. Please take your time
> to read this interesting and currently alive important
> article. Read to the end and suggest you forward
> it..
>
>
>
> Written by the
> distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald Trump.
> I think you will find it very interesting and
> alarming. You might want to take the time to read it.
>
> PHD -
> Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan
> Cultural studies at the distinguished and renown Heritage
> Foundation
>
> Interesting take on
> Trump.
> William J. Bennett,
> Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one
> of America's most important, influential, and respected
> voices on cultural, political, and education issues.
> He has one of the strongest Christian world views of
> any writer in modern times.
>
> What I
> See Happening In a Trump Presidency
> By Bill Bennett
>
> "They will kill
> him before they let him be president. It could be a
> Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of
> Trump.
>
> Don?t be surprised
> if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very
> nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder,
> Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
>
> It's about the
> unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and
> big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars
> from this partnership, and it's in all of their
> interests to protect one another. It's one for all and
> all for one. It?s a heck of a filthy relationship
> that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the
> American people. We get ripped off. We?re the
> patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal
> and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The
> over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both
> parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America
> has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they
> are all threatened and frightened.
>
> Donald
> Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to
> the contrary, the media, business, and political elite
> understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually
> win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
>
> It's no
> coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The
> Donald. It's because most of the other politicians
> are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big,
> but they won?t change a thing. They are all beholden
> to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists,
> unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and
> multinational corporations ? like Big Pharmacy or Big
> Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by
> foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign
> governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation
> donations.
>
> These
> run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets
> owned by big money. But there's one man who
> isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who
> doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or
> George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the
> teacher's union, or the Service Employees International
> Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
>
> Billionaire tycoon and
> maverick Donald Trump doesn?t need anyone?s help.
> That means he doesn?t care what the media says. He
> doesn?t care what the corporate elites think. That
> makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests.
> That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump
> can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their
> spoiled slave masters.
>
> Don?t you ever
> wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama?
> Don?t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk
> a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama?
> Don?t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet
> has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama?s clearly
> illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal
> aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
>
> First,
> I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed.
> Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being
> blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or
> secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National
> Security Agency knows everything.
>
> Ask
> former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The
> government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his
> own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC,
> the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies
> are watching every Republican political leader. They
> surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are
> petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to
> ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone
> demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the
> boat? After defeat or retirement, if you?re a good
> old boy, you?ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job
> waiting. The big-money interests have the system
> gamed. Win or lose, they win.
>
> But
> Trump doesn?t play by any of these rules. Trump
> breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big
> government, big media, and big business. All the rules
> are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The
> other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not
> Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly
> questioned Obama's birth certificate. He
> questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre
> student got into an Ivy League university. Now,
> he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to
> do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico;
> he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's
> questioning why no wall has been built across the border;
> he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens
> into America is in our best interests; he's questioning
> why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are
> not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals
> with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
>
> Trump
> has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always
> get the short end of the stick. Good question!
> I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the
> almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to
> college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to
> build the defective Obamacare website. By the way,
> that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if
> Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for
> selling it by lying. Trump will investigate
> Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention
> Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute
> Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi
> before the election. How about the fraud committed by
> employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic
> job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012
> election?
>
> Obama,
> the multinational corporations and the media need to stop
> Trump. They recognize this could get out of
> control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and
> asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could
> wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a
> nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No
> one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will
> not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at
> the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is
> over. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up
> in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison.
> Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing
> $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up
> in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes
> from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for
> misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department,
> or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level
> management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
>
> Obamacare will be
> de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up
> ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will
> investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go
> after everyone involved. That?s why the dogs of hell
> have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
>
> Yes,
> it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left
> and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm
> his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the
> coming debates. But they can't silence him.
> And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they
> try, the more the public will realize that he's the one
> telling the truth".
>
>
>
>
> Please don't delay
> in forwarding to your fellow Americans...
> THANK YOU for deleting
> my address, any other addresses and personal information
> from this e-mail before forwarding it. and also
> for using "Bcc" instead of "To" and
> "Cc" when initiating group e-mails. This
> prevents spammers and hackers from obtaining addresses and
> reduces the proliferation of spam.
>
>
>

This type of thoughts should concern everyone.

 

[Monster]

Honestly, I almost can't blame Trump for having people kicked out. These protesters are getting way out of hand. It's true that Trump's people go too far and pull the trigger too quickly, but shit...when you can't go 5 minutes in your speech without morons shouting that black lives matter and calling him a racist, you have to be proactive.

It's not a free speech thing. Nobody's free speech is being violated. They have their right to speak, but as it is a private event, Trump's people have the right to remove them.

If the Tea Party protesters constantly interrupted Bernie Sanders' speech and shouted at him, calling him a communist and a zionist pig, i'm pretty sure there'd be no complaints from my fellow Liberals.

 

[TheVictors]

Honestly, I almost can't blame Trump for having people kicked out. These protesters are getting way out of hand. It's true that Trump's people go too far and pull the trigger too quickly, but shit...when you can't go 5 minutes in your speech without morons shouting that black lives matter and calling him a racist, you have to be proactive.

It's not a free speech thing. Nobody's free speech is being violated. They have their right to speak, but as it is a private event, Trump's people have the right to remove them.

If the Tea Party protesters constantly interrupted Bernie Sanders' speech and shouted at him, calling him a communist and a zionist pig, i'm pretty sure there'd be no complaints from my fellow Liberals.

But that sort of very thing happened in 2008 and included overtly armed folks expressing their right to BEAR ARMS attending Obama events.

 

[Monster]

But that sort of very thing happened in 2008 and included overtly armed folks expressing their right to BEAR ARMS attending Obama events.

Exactly. They should be removed. Now, if the protesters are outside and on public property, they can't be touched. A speech in a private setting is not an open forum.

 

[Spartanmack]

But that sort of very thing happened in 2008 and included overtly armed folks expressing their right to BEAR ARMS attending Obama events.

is there evidence of this? I'd love to see it but I can't find any. I've read an article about citizens open carrying outside a 2009 where Obama was speaking to veterans, but i don't ever recall hearing about it during any campaign events in 2008 - certainly never heard about armed people getting in and disrupting campaign events. The only interruptions of Dem campaign events I've heard or read about are happening now, in 2016 and it's mostly BLM people hitting both Shillary and the Bern, not conservative activists. Although, a US Marine did disrupt Bill "21 burners" Clinton at a Shillary event recently to ask him why his wife lied about Benghazi - he was probably a conservative, and he was removed by security.

 

[Gulo Blue]

But that sort of very thing happened in 2008 and included overtly armed folks expressing their right to BEAR ARMS attending Obama events.

I don't think the right to bear arms extends to anywhere within sight of Obama. Secret Service probably don't think so either.

 

[Thumb]

Honestly, I almost can't blame Trump for having people kicked out. These protesters are getting way out of hand. It's true that Trump's people go too far and pull the trigger too quickly, but shit...when you can't go 5 minutes in your speech without morons shouting that black lives matter and calling him a racist, you have to be proactive.

It's not a free speech thing. Nobody's free speech is being violated. They have their right to speak, but as it is a private event, Trump's people have the right to remove them.

If the Tea Party protesters constantly interrupted Bernie Sanders' speech and shouted at him, calling him a communist and a zionist pig, i'm pretty sure there'd be no complaints from my fellow Liberals.

Well the guy the other day who showed up in a t-shirt with KKK and a gold star of david on it never said a word (at least from the videos I have seen) it was the Trump morons who started booing him and yelling for him to GTFO that caused the disturbance.

All the while that was going on Trump mentioned how police are too slow to respond, saying something like "20 years ago that guy would have been arrested right away, and when I'm president it will happen again". and this is why Trump supporters are as stupid as he is. The guy broke no laws, so the police response is moot. Also, he seems to think the president does much more then what the constitution says, so now not only is Trump ging to make police respond faster, but he's going to make clerks in stores go back to saying "merry christmas" and not "happy holidays".

 

[Gulo Blue]

If this is legit and going to air on TV...wow. Have comparison to Hitler ads hit the airwaves before? Granted, it's a superpac and not endorsed by a specific candidate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPRI9AmyVvY

 

[TheVictors]

I'm saying that in 2008 there were many overt attempts to disrupt Obama events and typically it was clowns dressed as revolutionary minutemen and openly armed ...you know, strict Constitutionality and 2nd Amendment concerns ..

 

[Michchamp]

someone needs to explain how the First Amendment works to Donald Trump.