Turner to start today @ Lakeland

[mjsb2]

Considering that the bullpen had to pitch 8 innings in the 24 hours following that game, I'd say Below's appearance held quite a bit of value.

And if Wilk was in LR we could have gotten 4 or 5 innings out of him, plus Porcello was pulled early, he should have been left in for 100-110 pitches just to eat innings and save the bullpen.

I'd rather Below give us 6 innings of shut out baseball in a close game rather than one we've already lost.

It's not hard to find somebody to eat innings out of the pen, and when you're down 8-0 it doesn't matter if he pitches 6 shut out innings or 6 innings and gives up another 6 runs, the quality of those innings means pretty much nothing.

 

[Thumb]

The problem is it's a temporary position, and it's only going to last until Fister is back.

So you take Below from the BP, and ask him to start in place of Wilk, and if he does well, he still gets demoted to the BP when Fister comes off the DL.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Wilk knows he's a fill-in, but if Below pitches great, it's tough on him and management to have to say thanks, but no thanks, get your ass back to the 'pen.

I wanted him as the 5th starter all along, but I cant argue with the job Smyly has done either, I like Below in the BP to be ready in case someone other than JV goes to shit, you have a guy who can maybe stop the bleeding, rather than Wilk, who may just throw gas on the fire.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[deathroh]

And if Wilk was in LR we could have gotten 4 or 5 innings out of him, plus Porcello was pulled early, he should have been left in for 100-110 pitches just to eat innings and save the bullpen.

I'd rather Below give us 6 innings of shut out baseball in a close game rather than one we've already lost.

It's not hard to find somebody to eat innings out of the pen, and when you're down 8-0 it doesn't matter if he pitches 6 shut out innings or 6 innings and gives up another 6 runs, the quality of those innings means pretty much nothing.

Porcello got 3 out of 16 batters out and you think he should have been left in the game for another 50-60 pitches? That opinion is not based in reality. No manager would do that, and no manager should. The fact that you'd be willing to allow one of your young, up and down, starters to stay out there and get slaughtered - just to save the bullpen - shows that you do see value in saving the pen.

Obviously Below's performance would have held more value if it came in a tight game, but the fact that they were able to throw him in there in the 2nd and not have to bring in anyone else until the 8th clearly helped the team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

As long as he's used in "value time". When Fister got hurt, it was value time. He pitched, got the win in a game our starter went down. When we're getting blown out, it's a waste to have him pitch 6 innings and be unavailable for the next 3 days in a blowout loss..

 

[deathroh]

As long as he's used in "value time". When Fister got hurt, it was value time. He pitched, got the win in a game our starter went down. When we're getting blown out, it's a waste to have him pitch 6 innings and be unavailable for the next 3 days in a blowout loss..

The value is in keeping everyone else evailable for the next 24 hours, to cover the two upcoming games. This is a long reliever's role, and he filled it perfectly. Just as Wilk did as a spot starter. I'm not confident that will continue, but to this point it's worked out great.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The value is in keeping everyone else evailable for the next 24 hours, to cover the two upcoming games. This is a long reliever's role, and he filled it perfectly. Just as Wilk did as a spot starter. I'm not confident that will continue, but to this point it's worked out great.

I get your point but if he was a starter, Wilk could have done that in the pen. Or Coke. It's a waste of a good pitcher though I'm not sure if he's good yet. No one comes to the bigs and says "I want to be pitch in long relief".

 

[deathroh]

I get your point but if he was a starter, Wilk could have done that in the pen. Or Coke. It's a waste of a good pitcher though I'm not sure if he's good yet. No one comes to the bigs and says "I want to be pitch in long relief".

Or he could have bombed as a starter and Wilk might not have gotten through an inning of relief. A wise man once said, "I've seen guy work in the BP effective that get moved to the rotation and stink."

 

[Mitchrapp]

Or he could have bombed as a starter and Wilk might not have gotten through an inning of relief. A wise man once said, "I've seen guy work in the BP effective that get moved to the rotation and stink."

I understand that. I have no idea if he's good or not, and as a SP..Too hard to tell. Haha, I'm the wise man :hehe:

But, if they, whoever they are determine he's good, he's a waste in a long relief role. You don't want a good pitcher in LR. And if he's good in the pen, and want to keep Below there -- keep him away from pitching in games of blowouts. Use someone else. Harder said than done, not like you can have multiple pitchers in LR. I rather have him as 6th or 7th inning guy in close games.

 

[mjsb2]

The problem is it's a temporary position, and it's only going to last until Fister is back.

So you take Below from the BP, and ask him to start in place of Wilk, and if he does well, he still gets demoted to the BP when Fister comes off the DL.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Wilk knows he's a fill-in, but if Below pitches great, it's tough on him and management to have to say thanks, but no thanks, get your ass back to the 'pen.

I wanted him as the 5th starter all along, but I cant argue with the job Smyly has done either, I like Below in the BP to be ready in case someone other than JV goes to shit, you have a guy who can maybe stop the bleeding, rather than Wilk, who may just throw gas on the fire.

Just my 2 cents.

Below would know that he's just a fill in as well, and he's not as good as any of the other options, I'm sure he'd be fine having a roster spot period.

 

[mjsb2]

LR is the least valuable pitcher on the team.

There is no sense is wasting a superior pitcher in that spot while an inferior one starts.

 

[deathroh]

LR is the least valuable pitcher on the team.

There is no sense is wasting a superior pitcher in that spot while an inferior one starts.

Agreed that the role is the least valuable, but his performance was clearly valuable. You disagree, fine.

From a results standpoint Wilk has been more effective in his two spot starts than Below was last year.

 

[mjsb2]

Agreed that the role is the least valuable, but his performance was clearly valuable. You disagree, fine.

From a results standpoint Wilk has been more effective in his two spot starts than Below was last year.

I agree it was valuable, which is why I think it's a waste to have him there.

Anytime a pitcher gives you 6 innings of 0 run ball it's valuable, but the Tigers should be trying to maximize the value by having those innings occur when we aren't down 8-0.

 

[deathroh]

I agree it was valuable, which is why I think it's a waste to have him there.

Anytime a pitcher gives you 6 innings of 0 run ball it's valuable, but the Tigers should be trying to maximize the value by having those innings occur when we aren't down 8-0.

Ha, ok, I think we can settle on that. Phew!

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/04/jacob_turner_allows_eight_hits.html
Jacob Turner allows eight hits in 2nd start for Lakeland, has not allowed earned run in 10 innings.
from Mlive

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.blessyouboys.com/2012/5/...ers-jacob-turner-promoted-aaa-toledo-mud-hens
Tigers Promote Jacob Turner to Toledo Mud Hens, Will Likely Start Sunday.
from blessyouboystigersblog

And to answer the question before its asked, there are no current plans to move Turner to the bullpen, despite the pen's struggles.
TigsTowns'Paul

http://tigers.scout.com/2/1185970.html
TigsTown Transaction Blog: Jacob Turner to Toledo.