Turns out WE actually live in the "shithole country"

[Spartanmack]

I'll give you a worst case example. Italy. On march 22 Italy was averaging 6k cases per day. The United states was averaging 6k cases per day. Italy is now averaging 200 new cases per day. The us is now averaging 70k new cases per day. See a fucking difference? Any at all?

Were the worst. I can literally compare us against ANYONE and our numbers will be shit. Nice job trump.

Deaths per infection:

Italy .14%

US. .037%

Since you didn’t provide any
sources - and I don’t blame you because when you provide sources they suck - I didn’t either. I did a search engine search and did the math. You can check my work if ya wanna.

Any more great examples?

Not that I’m defending Trump; he wasn’t great at the outset and seems no one else was either.

population of Italy 60mm
Population of US 330mm

And here's a study that shows as much as 1/3 of excess deaths are due to factors other than Corona - many of them potential victims of the shut down who were unable to get life saving treatment for their non-Corona illnesses. And let's not forget, included in the deaths attributed to Corona are all the misreported deaths so hospitals can collect an extra 20% on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. A skeptic might question whether even 2/3rds of the excess deaths is accurate. Personally, I don't know anyone who has died of Corona, the closest for me is my friend's dad who "died of Corona" when he fell and hit his head and suffered serious brain trauma 2 months after being treated, released and testing negative for Corona.

 

[turok]

The RNC has visited two outdoor venues and might pick one over the indoor Vets Memorial Arena in Jville, to hold tRump's official nomination hoedown in late August...although the dog-days of summer heat and potential TS or hurricane might be a deterrent to doing so.


Donnie Dinkydigits won't accept anything less than what passes for a normal nomination in front of thousands in attendance regardless. That b/c it would detract BIGLY from his "no pandemic to see here-move along" election narrative.


Holding it outdoors b/c of the contagion, would fly in the face of his and the GOP's push to open schools next month.



However I would expect that the DNC will make Biden's nomination be mainly a "virtual" one, with only delegates attending for a short time, and those who are absolutely necessary staffing, managing, and directing it.

 

[Spartanmack]

60 million population. 244k positive tests. I'll let you do the simple subtraction.... let's see how well you can do. Do you need multiple choice? 200 new cases a day.

California. 40 mill population. 10k new cases per day. Your logic would mean california should have no new cases.

Why the fuck do i need to argue the fact how shitty we handled this crisis? Are people that ignorant? Or just plain stupid?

I think you mean division, not subtraction. Long division at that, but it is still pretty simple. And didn't you just say, in your previous post that Italy wasn't adequately testing? Now you're asking everyone to rely on their positive test count?

 

[Spartanmack]

New cases has always been limited by the number of tests available. They are more readily available now. So readily available states are finally getting a handle on how much of the population is infected. Trump didn't like that either so now he wants to control the data. Fucking communists. We're so communist the Russians are telling us to be more democratic. True story... google it.

Oh, if Russia is telling us to be more democratic, we must be REALLY communist. I wonder what China would say about our trade policies and if we're not enough of a free market.

I'm starting to get really confused about when we are allowed to trust Russia and when we're not.

 

[Gulo Blue]

population of Italy 60mm
Population of US 330mm

And here's a study that shows as much as 1/3 of excess deaths are due to factors other than Corona - many of them potential victims of the shut down who were unable to get life saving treatment for their non-Corona illnesses. And let's not forget, included in the deaths that are attributed to Corona include all the misreported deaths so hospitals can collect an extra 20% on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

This appears to be already accounted for. If you click through to the numbers from the study you posted (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086) they say that from March 1 - April 25th there were 87,000 excess deaths, but only 56,000 of them were due to covid. If you look at the IHME numbers (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america) they say that through April 25th there were 54,000 covid deaths. So this count, that has us at 140,000 today aligns to this paper.


What's not accounted for is that it stands to reason that there were also fewer deaths from certain types of accidents over this times period. Car insurance companies issued refunds. It seems to me that however many lives were not lost due to the lack of accidents were also made up in some other type of death not measured here (or covid). Meaning I think more people died from delayed care or drug overdoses and other things than estimated in this paper. (Of course, this is in comparison to that parallel universe Tinsel won't consider)

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think you mean division, not subtraction. Long division at that, but it is still pretty simple. And didn't you just say, in your previous post that Italy wasn't adequately testing? Now you're asking everyone to rely on their positive test count?

Uh-oh. He's telling you what kind of division to do. I'm not sure what's special about these numbers that means long division in the best division, but as long as don't you try any of that new-fangled common core I think everyone will be happy.

 

[tinselwolverine]

This appears to be already accounted for. If you click through to the numbers from the study you posted (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086) they say that from March 1 - April 25th there were 87,000 excess deaths, but only 56,000 of them were due to covid. If you look at the IHME numbers (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america) they say that through April 25th there were 54,000 covid deaths. So this count, that has us at 140,000 today aligns to this paper.


What's not accounted for is that it stands to reason that there were also fewer deaths from certain types of accidents over this times period. Car insurance companies issued refunds. It seems to me that however many lives were not lost due to the lack of accidents were also made up in some other type of death not measured here (or covid). Meaning I think more people died from delayed care or drug overdoses and other things than estimated in this paper. (Of course, this is in comparison to that parallel universe Tinsel won't consider)

Right.

You?re talking things that might or might not be in the universe in which we live.

?Parallel universe? things that will never happen or not happen in say, the universe where HRC won the election.

 

[Spartanmack]

This appears to be already accounted for. If you click through to the numbers from the study you posted (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086) they say that from March 1 - April 25th there were 87,000 excess deaths, but only 56,000 of them were due to covid. If you look at the IHME numbers (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america) they say that through April 25th there were 54,000 covid deaths. So this count, that has us at 140,000 today aligns to this paper.


What's not accounted for is that it stands to reason that there were also fewer deaths from certain types of accidents over this times period. Car insurance companies issued refunds. It seems to me that however many lives were not lost due to the lack of accidents were also made up in some other type of death not measured here (or covid). Meaning I think more people died from delayed care or drug overdoses and other things than estimated in this paper. (Of course, this is in comparison to that parallel universe Tinsel won't consider)

Yeah, I was quoting the piece when I said 1/3 aren't COVID related. I'm just saying it could easily be higher than 1/3 because of the possibility that COVID death counts are overstated.

Car accident fatalities probably were down for a couple months but they only account for 40k deaths per year and there is a seasonality to both accidents and fatalities due to bad winter weather and summer driving season. I'd be surprised is the reduced fatalities would have much impact on the "spike." One of my clients owns a body shop and they said their business was way down during the shut down, but it's rebounding nicely now because apparently everyone forgot how to drive over 2 months and accidents, or at least their business is up year-over-year for June and July.

But you would also expect workplace related deaths to go down as well - lumping all the death mitigating changes together they could have a material impact that may need to be explained by other offsetting factors.

Didn't someone post an article here about kids dying or getting serious hurt in one-car wrecks because the roads were empty and they were driving like maniacs? I feel like I read that somewhere.

 

[byco42]

Right.

You’re talking things that might or might not be in the universe in which we live.

“Parallel universe” things that will never happen or not happen in say, the universe where HRC won the election.

Or where Japan and Germany won WWII. Like in that TV show. Or where the Lions won those 7 Super Bowls. Or where Looney Toons is Looney Tunes --

 

[Spartanmack]

Uh-oh. He's telling you what kind of division to do. I'm not sure what's special about these numbers that means long division in the best division, but as long as don't you try any of that new-fangled common core I think everyone will be happy.

I didn't know there was a choice between short or long division. If you have a way to convert long division to short division that doesn't involve common core, I'm all ears.

 

[Spartanmack]

Or where Japan and Germany won WWII. Like in that TV show. Or where the Lions won those 7 Super Bowls. Or where Looney Toons is Looney Tunes --

I'm reminded of this meme every time someone mentions the Lions and the Superbowl?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I didn't know there was a choice between short or long division. If you have a way to convert long division to short division that doesn't involve common core, I'm all ears.

It's your distinction. Don't ask me; I generally ask the computer.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's your distinction. Don't ask me; I generally ask the computer.

I'm older than a lot of posters here but it's not my distinction. I'm pretty sure it was around for a long time before Miss Brosteaux taught it to me at OLSOS Elementary. I'm pretty sure the distinction was around even when she was a kid.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Where have you seen this? The only recommendations I can find from the CDC on returning to school should be done on a state by state basis or based on local mandates. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

And even if the CDC wanted to give an endorsement:

White House blocks CDC director from testifying on schools reopening

Maybe I heard a report that reported a more ringing endorsement than there actually was.

They?re definitely not against it.

These CDC guidelines kind of line up more with your description.

Pediatrician groups seem to be qualifying their endorsements now too.

Maybe I was hearing right wing MAGA propaganda.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm reminded of this meme every time someone mentions the Lions and the Superbowl?

Let?s not forget this epic:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fOaCTddlng

 

[mhughes0021]

Uh-oh. He's telling you what kind of division to do. I'm not sure what's special about these numbers that means long division in the best division, but as long as don't you try any of that new-fangled common core I think everyone will be happy.

not to mention i was right in saying subtraction. Tinsle wanted to know the opportunity for new cases. In that example you would simply subtract the total population from the current new case number. Not sure why he would divide. No wonder why his data is always messed up.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe I heard a report that reported a more ringing endorsement than there actually was.

They?re definitely not against it.

These CDC guidelines kind of line up more with your description.

Pediatrician groups seem to be qualifying their endorsements now too.

Maybe I was hearing right wing MAGA propaganda.

maybe you were at the dog park listening to parents who have been dealing with kids home from school since early March.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm older than a lot of posters here but it's not my distinction. I'm pretty sure it was around for a long time before Miss Brosteaux taught it to me at OLSOS Elementary. I'm pretty sure the distinction was around even when she was a kid.

I don't know what that distinction might be. I think you 'corrected' mhughes with a distinction that doesn't exist.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I would actually be interested if there was a distinction that was related to some math concept.

 

[mhughes0021]

maybe you were at the dog park listening to parents who have been dealing with kids home from school since early March.

Parents at the dog park complaining they dont have time to teach their kids. Yup...id say thats proof we live in a shit hole right there.