UM Hospital 6 months to report

[redandguilty]

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/unive....or-six-months /

Auditors will release a report on how this happened. It will be difficult for them to keep to the "it wasn't people, it was policies" line. I can envision scenarios where that's an applicable excuse, but not a scenario where that's a good excuse. I get that security didn't have enough evidence to take any internal action, but they needed to turn their information over more quickly. Seems like multiple people are at fault here. The report needs to make it clear whether or not anyone was acting to cover it up, whose fault it was that it took so long, and what happened to ultimately get it reported.

 

[byco42]

I've read some bureaucratic BS in my day, but this pretty much trumps it all.

 

[Michchamp]

I've read some bureaucratic BS in my day, but this pretty much trumps it all.

well, it's pretty bad, but it certainly doesn't trump what happened at Penn State.

 

[byco42]

I've read some bureaucratic BS in my day, but this pretty much trumps it all.

well, it's pretty bad, but it certainly doesn't trump what happened at Penn State.

I'm talking about the copy in the article, not the situation at large.

 

[redandguilty]

I've read some bureaucratic BS in my day, but this pretty much trumps it all.

well, it's pretty bad, but it certainly doesn't trump what happened at Penn State.

Try telling that to a Sparty. Before the threads were deleted from MGoBlog and RCMB last night, UM=PSU was the Spartan take on this.

Between the Catholic Church, various grade schools, Penn State, and the Hollywood allegations...I've read that the stories that make it into the news only scratch the surface. It's not that these places are the exceptions, just that every other big organization that deals with children hasn't been caught yet.

 

[redandguilty]

1 out of 6 boys and 1 out of 4 girls. If you scale that to a population of 300 million, you're talking about something on the order of 60 million victims, and something in the high 100s of thousands or even close to a million victims a year. ...but there would be a lot of assumptions associated with that.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/child-sexual-abuse.asp

 

[biggunsbob]

Fire them all, and prosecute the offenders....

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I didn't read the article, but I do know from experience that disciplinary things at UM take forever because they have to jump through so many hoops. UM is so afraid of lawsuits that usually the guilty party has to do something so blatantly against the rules to get let go or in trouble.

 

[silverbullet97]

I've read some bureaucratic BS in my day, but this pretty much trumps it all.

well, it's pretty bad, but it certainly doesn't trump what happened at Penn State.

Not even in the same league.

 

[TheVictors]

The notoriety of the abuse at Penn State and the cover up will probably result in what seems like an inordinate number of other like cases being reported. On the one hand, it will be more than are normally reported because of what happened at Penn State (this has already happened) and on the other hand, it will seem like a lot more situations are occurring, simply because they are being reported. If you ever knew anyone who was a victim of abuse, it is shocking to find out how pervasive and common it is, in many places of trust (schools, athletics, church, daycare, family members).

 

[michlady77]

auditors had been brought in on it - as i know someone who was one of the auditors

 

[uofm06marine]

1 out of 6 boys and 1 out of 4 girls. If you scale that to a population of 300 million, you're talking about something on the order of 60 million victims, and something in the high 100s of thousands or even close to a million victims a year. ...but there would be a lot of assumptions associated with that.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/child-sexual-abuse.asp

90% of all statistics are pointless.

 

[michlady77]

well the reporting to the plice was delayed - there were investigations and reporting up
and one sidebar says reporting porn not required.. obvioiusly not a shining moment

but this had been brought up before - i had heard of it before now it wasnt clear at that time exactly what was happening

it was on a jump drive

no excuses but they did investigate and the resident relieved of his position is my understanding

 

[redandguilty]

1 out of 6 boys and 1 out of 4 girls. If you scale that to a population of 300 million, you're talking about something on the order of 60 million victims, and something in the high 100s of thousands or even close to a million victims a year. ...but there would be a lot of assumptions associated with that.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/child-sexual-abuse.asp

90% of all statistics are pointless.

Maybe 90% of stats are misused, I'd agree with that, but properly used stats are underrated, not overrated. Quantifying is important.

Thanks ML for the info.

 

[uofm06marine]

90% of all statistics are pointless.

Maybe 90% of stats are misused, I'd agree with that, but properly used stats are underrated, not overrated. Quantifying is important.

Thanks ML for the info.

I know, I was just joking. Statistics are a useful tool, however, people tend to over use them and create falsehoods and inaccuracies. Yes, thanks ML you probably have more insight on this than we do.

 

[redandguilty]

Maybe 90% of stats are misused, I'd agree with that, but properly used stats are underrated, not overrated. Quantifying is important.

Thanks ML for the info.

I know, I was just joking. Statistics are a useful tool, however, people tend to over use them and create falsehoods and inaccuracies. Yes, thanks ML you probably have more insight on this than we do.

Yeah, the thought crossed my mind, not 1 minute after I posted, maybe 15 minutes ago (last commercial break during Alcatraz). That's the kind of gullible champ usually catches me with.

I'm just touchy because pop sci writers do a terrible job presenting research and then people get the idea that science sucks.

But you did get me thinking what it would take to get a better estimate. Probably more work than I want to do. But even if that million is off by a factor of ten, 100,000 victims a year is shocking. When 1 case is such a big deal, to think it could be 300 a day or maybe quite a bit more...it's just terrible.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

The guy is being prosecuted. Six months is not that bad, though I would hope that things would mover faster in these sorts of cases. How long was it before Sandusky was prosecuted? 10 years? And he was allowed to continue to associate with the school/program and given special treatment (sitting in the Penn State's Presidents box, access to the sidelines, etc.). The cases are no where near the same. I am confident that the policies will be changed at Michigan to clarify reporting proceedures, etc. in such cases in future.

 

[redandguilty]

annarbor.com has published 2 more stories on this. The 1st includes a university statement about waiting for the results of the investigation and reminding people of their responsibility to report. The 2nd says there's no legal requirement to report because no victim could be identified.

Also, ABC Ann Arbor and the Chicago Tribune are now running stories.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

annarbor.com has published 2 more stories on this. The 1st includes a university statement about waiting for the results of the investigation and reminding people of their responsibility to report. The 2nd says there's no legal requirement to report because no victim could be identified.

Also, ABC Ann Arbor and the Chicago Tribune are now running stories.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that Michigan is going to be painted with the same brush as PSU. The story people will here is "There was a child molester at Michigan that wasn't prosecuted, just like PSU!" Doesn't matter that the story is completely different. What are you gonna do? If you try to defend Michigan you come across as supporting child porn. Bad situation.

 

[redandguilty]

annarbor.com has published 2 more stories on this. The 1st includes a university statement about waiting for the results of the investigation and reminding people of their responsibility to report. The 2nd says there's no legal requirement to report because no victim could be identified.

Also, ABC Ann Arbor and the Chicago Tribune are now running stories.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that Michigan is going to be painted with the same brush as PSU. The story people will here is "There was a child molester at Michigan that wasn't prosecuted, just like PSU!" Doesn't matter that the story is completely different. What are you gonna do? If you try to defend Michigan you come across as supporting child porn. Bad situation.

That's entirely possible and that's exactly what's happening in the comments. This is what I meant when I said I had sympathy for the PSU fans.