Underachieving Tigers

[erg57]

What team was more underachieving than Tigers this year or in last five years (maybe Twins a couple years ago)? I've made my peace with the fact that this team will not make the playoffs. I hope I'm wrong.

Robin Ventura? Who knew?

 

[manchild98]

I don't think we are that underachiveing. We have too many players on this roster who should not be in the major leagues.

 

[spockmaster]

if anything, they overachieved last year. this year the team played like we should have expected they would; no defense, inconsistent offense, production so bad from several players (boesch, young, raburn) that they hurt the team nearly every time they went out, no repeat of career years from peralta and avila, etc.

 

[erg57]

I don't think we are that underachiveing. We have too many players on this roster who should not be in the major leagues.

I see your point, but all that top $ talent should overcome that. Every team has AAA playing rosters to some degree if you are in the "too many teams" camp. That's debatable.

How did Inge do this year?

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I can't think of a more frustrating Tigers team to watch in recent memory. Nothing seems to click at the same time for any amount of time.

 

[tigermud]

funny thing is it's not upsetting anymore, Guess I've excepted it.

 

[mjsb2]

Not really that underachieving.

Just very uninspiring to watch.

A team built with horrendous defense, a couple of horrendous players getting significant time (Boesch, Young) and built to hit HRs but just not hitting any, and just plays with the worst fundamentals I've ever seen on a ML team.

Ugly to watch.

 

[mhughes0021]

The most frustrating part is we havent put it together for any stretch of time...

1 month our starting pitching is on point, next we hit well, then our D is great, the our D sucks, then we cant hit worth a shit, then our SPs blow it, then our BP is lights out, then our BP blows a month worth of quality starts. Its ridiculous how up and down each facet is. ridiculous...

 

[Mitchrapp]

Teams have off years, not much you can do. But underachieving worse in 5 years, not a chance. Just this year, Philly at .500. Arizona way off from last season. Miami spent big and suck and then there's Boston.

There are teams that are much worse off.

 

[biggunsbob]

Teams have off years, not much you can do. But underachieving worse in 5 years, not a chance. Just this year, Philly at .500. Arizona way off from last season. Miami spent big and suck and then there's Boston.

There are teams that are much worse off.

So true but then again we are in the AL Central.. I Guess you just can't show up and win it by 15 games..): like we should have..

 

[Thumb]

"Robin Ventura, who knew?"

If you think Ventura is the reason the Sox are on top of a horrible division with a slightly better record then us, then.....wow I guess.

They would likely be in about the same place of Ozzie was still there. Too much credit/blame on managers. A team is only as good or as bad as the players, and considering how terrible most of our players are, I'm happy just to have a slight, outside, remote shot at the playoffs.

 

[tomdalton22]

The bottom line is this team was not built correctly. In the off season they needed 2 corner outfielders, a 2B, 3B, a starting pitcher and replace their DH until Martinez gets back in 2013. What does DD do...signs a 1B for $214 million (that is a bad defensive player), move his 1B to 3B (which was a huge risk but worked out OK) which made the defense even worse, plugged in a rookie as a starter, left the corner OF alone and didn't do anything about 2B. DD needs to be fired.

 

[thehippo73]

The bottom line is this team was not built correctly. In the off season they needed 2 corner outfielders, a 2B, 3B, a starting pitcher and replace their DH until Martinez gets back in 2013. What does DD do...signs a 1B for $214 million (that is a bad defensive player), move his 1B to 3B (which was a huge risk but worked out OK) which made the defense even worse, plugged in a rookie as a starter, left the corner OF alone and didn't do anything about 2B. DD needs to be fired.

I was okay with Santiago/Raburn/Worth battle for 2nd, DY as the one year stop gap at DH and starting a rookie as our 5th starter. The corner OF is the major issue. Dirks has been better than expected this year. Boesch has been a nightmare all season. The 2nd base battle did not raise any of the players play.

Peralta and Avila has been a disappointing but most didn't expect career years from both again. Neither has been at an acceptable level(.270-.280 with some pop). Fielder's defense has been much worse than expected. Fister hasn't pitched like the #2 we expected. The bullpen has been wildly inconsistent.

Leyland...don't get me started.

There is plenty of blame for this season. If sweeping changes aren't made, Mike needs to make changes in the front office.

 

[tomdalton22]

The Prince signing was the dumbest thing they did last year. The Tigers would have finished 2nd without him. I sure would like to be going into this off season with Mr I having that $214 million contract to fix some of the MANY holes in this team currently has!

 

[byco42]

Lack of consistent production from Boesch, Avila and Peralta. No Victor. To me, that's the story of 2012.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lack of consistent production from Boesch, Avila and Peralta. No Victor. To me, that's the story of 2012.

You aren't mentioning the biggest problem with the Tigers...they might be the worst defensive team in MLB

 

[byco42]

You aren't mentioning the biggest problem with the Tigers...they might be the worst defensive team in MLB

They are, no contest, the worst defensive team in MLB, but they were not that good last season, either. But you might be right about it being the biggest problem, after all. Tigers were middle of the pack last season in defensive efficiency (.695) and they are dead last this season (.678), while the Rangers, Yankees and Orioles are all between .690 and .698, with is in the 7-10 range in the AL.

So, maybe there's some kind of marginal number that is a tipping point in costing a team wins.

 

[biggunsbob]

Dickerson and Price said yesterday that the Tigers have given up 30+ more unearned runs that the White Sox and that the expert say that each 10 unearned run equals one loss.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I love having Miggy at 3rd over a weak hitter. Next season we get our DH back. So we need to add a OF and an IF. Plus Avila needs to be a little more consistent. And we need better depth. Can we rely on anyone coming in the game late to get a big hit? No. Even our late inning defensive players stink. Kelly might be able to play many positions and might be marginally better than Boesch but he isn't that good defensively.

 

[zonietigerfan]

I don't think we are that underachiveing. We have too many players on this roster who should not be in the major leagues.

Mitch might be correct here in a way. Problem this year is that the team has shot itself in the foot far too many times. How often have we had to watch Jhonny P, Delmon...hell, I'll toss in Cabby & Rabum...hit into DPs and kill a rally? You'd think JL & Co would have put on the bunt sign after seeing 2,3 DPs but no...anyway, the team has underachieved in that they were clutch performers big time last season. This year? Not so much.