UOS Bowl game

[tomdalton22]

He cheated at Youngstown St and he cheated the moment he became the coach of OSU until he was fired, errr, resigned, errrr retired. The lapse was that he finally got caught. I know of no Buckeye fans that are or were mad at him. They love and adore him and have since the first time he beat MIchigan (with bought and paid for Clarett who never studied, never passed a class, had tutors doing his work for him.) They feel that its bullshit that they got caught and punished at all, saying "What we did didn't affect the product on the field." You're being pc by 'saying' that you and other fans were mad at him, but you know in your heart that you aren't and never were and you think its bs. Meanwhile, Michigan fans would want that mfr banned from campus forever.

There are athletes on every campus taking freebies and not doing the work that should be required of them. Get off your high horse!

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

There are athletes on every campus taking freebies and not doing the work that should be required of them. Get off your high horse!

Yes, there are some student-athletes who do so, but at UOS it was a systemic problem established by the leadership. See the difference now?

 

[tomdalton22]

Yes, there are some student-athletes who do so, but at UOS it was a systemic problem established by the leadership. See the difference now?

I have no idea how rampent it is / was at OSU. I imagine that it still goes on....just like at every single high profile program. I don't think it is possible to keep a clean program with today's athletes.

 

[hungry]

There are athletes on every campus taking freebies and not doing the work that should be required of them. Get off your high horse!

Sounds like prisoners at work in prison for murder, rape, robbery, etc who tell me, "You're the same as me, because you speed."

I knew you had the attitude in you. Thanks for telling the truth.

 

[redandguilty]

Sounds like prisoners at work in prison for murder, rape, robbery, etc who tell me, "You're the same as me, because you speed."

I knew you had the attitude in you. Thanks for telling the truth.

I was thinking similarly. Every city has crime. It doesn't mean there aren't good towns and bad ones.

 

[tomdalton22]

Sounds like prisoners at work in prison for murder, rape, robbery, etc who tell me, "You're the same as me, because you speed."

I knew you had the attitude in you. Thanks for telling the truth.

I never said every program cheated equally and some infractions are significantly worse than others.

 

[hungry]

I was thinking similarly. Every city has crime. It doesn't mean there aren't good towns and bad ones.

and just because every city has some crime, it doesn't make it OK.

 

[redandguilty]

I never said every program cheated equally and some infractions are significantly worse than others.

Cut to the chase. OSU, better or worse than Michigan?

 

[hungry]

Cut to the chase. OSU, better or worse than Michigan?

You expect an honest answer?

 

[redandguilty]

You expect an honest answer?

You never know. Besides, I think the discussion goes well either way.

 

[tomdalton22]

Cut to the chase. OSU, better or worse than Michigan?

Past 10 years I would have to guess that UM has been cleaner. In the past 25 with the Fab five issue I would have to say OSU. Just like it was said earlier in the thread...not all violations / crimes are equal.

 

[redandguilty]

That's a fair answer for a buckeye. I think the "Fab Five" thing (primarily not involving the Fab Five) highlights the differences between the programs. The Michigan and Ohio reactions to scandal are like night and day.

 

[tomdalton22]

That's a fair answer for a buckeye. I think the "Fab Five" thing (primarily not involving the Fab Five) highlights the differences between the programs. The Michigan and Ohio reactions to scandal are like night and day.

Are you talking about the administration or fans?

 

[redandguilty]

Are you talking about the administration or fans?

Both. Administration responds to fans.

 

[tomdalton22]

Both. Administration responds to fans.

What bothered me the most about "tat-gate" was that the AD didn't get fired. I have no idea but my guess is that he knew about it too and Tressell took the fall.

 

[redandguilty]

Michigan fired a coach that the NCAA investigation found mostly innocent. He's an active coach today, but Michigan dumped him.

In its report, the NCAA infractions committee commended Michigan for it's level of cooperation and it's effort to uncover information that the NCAA could not have found on its own.

Nothing like OSU.

 

[tomdalton22]

Michigan fired a coach that the NCAA investigation found mostly innocent. He's an active coach today, but Michigan dumped him.

In its report, the NCAA infractions committee commended Michigan for it's level of cooperation and it's effort to uncover information that the NCAA could not have found on its own.

Nothing like OSU.

Yet they hired Rich Rod who is had a worse reputation than Tressell. Sometimes even Michigan will lower it's high standards to try and put a winning team on the field.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yet they hired Rich Rod who is had a worse reputation than Tressell. Sometimes even Michigan will lower it's high standards to try and put a winning team on the field.

Didn't karma bite us on the ass, huh?

 

[tomdalton22]

Didn't karma bite us on the ass, huh?

I think you have a really good coach now. At least they cut ties with him quickly!

 

[redandguilty]

Yet they hired Rich Rod who is had a worse reputation than Tressell. Sometimes even Michigan will lower it's high standards to try and put a winning team on the field.

You don't have the story right. At the time (and to this day) the scandal surrounding RR was very much a he said/he said vs. a messed up WVU administration. RR always insisted that he wanted to go to court and get the truth out, but Michigan wanted him focused on football and paid the fee to make the issue go away.

While we'll never know how that would have played out, we do know that admin got in trouble later for giving an unearned degree to the Governor's daughter, which is very much in line with the type of involvement RR alleged.

While RR may not have lived up to expectations, he wasn't known to be a bad actor at the time of his hiring.