Well May should be an easier month and hopefully warmer

[Rebbiv]

Good plate discipline (i.e. drawing walks) is not subject to slumps or weather conditions. Although this team is considered a good hitting team, it lacks enough good plate discipline hitters.

On average, a MLB hitter draws a walk every 12.35 Plate Appearances (not including intentional walks).


Jackson 7.7 (13.33 career)

Kelly 8.0 (20.71 career)

Avila 8.5 (8.60 career)

Cabrera 12.0 (11.30 career)

Raburn 12.3 (15.71 career)


Fielder 14.2 (9.14 career)

Laird 16.0 (15.46 career)


Peralta 20.3 (12.30 career)

Santiago 29.0 (15.32 career)

Young 33.0 (27.42 career)

Boesch 73.0 (15.22 career)

Dirks 0-24 PA (25.80 career)

Inge 0-20 PA (12.89 career)


2012 DET Team = 15.37

2011 DET Team = 13.05

2010 DET Team = 12.63

2009 DET Team = 12.16


I could go on and on about how pitch selection and plate discipline effects hitting and/or how this impacts the opposing pitching/pitcher. I deplore hitters that have a ratio above 15.0 (Especially Young and Dirks for their careers). Generally speaking, most superstar hitters are under 10.0.

Over the years, the Yankees have been known as a team full of patient hitters (and superstar hitters).

2012 NYY Team = 10.36

2011 NYY Team = 10.58

2010 NYY Team = 10.13

2009 NYY Team = 10.21


FYI

Sizemore = 8.71 career

Joyce = 9.89 career

Granderson = 10.11 career

Guillen = 11.12 career

Ordonez = 12.53 career

Wells = 15.35 career

Polanco = 18.98 career

 

[Mitchrapp]

And we got _ _ _ _, _ _ _ _ _ _, Santiago, and Worth? I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. I even put spaces in betweem the letters for you so you can count them.

I get ya but so what, those guys stink as well. And as everyone likes to point out, Kburn will eventually hit.

 

[lonesometiger]

Good plate discipline (i.e. drawing walks) is not subject to slumps or weather conditions. Although this team is considered a good hitting team, it lacks enough good plate discipline hitters.

On average, a MLB hitter draws a walk every 12.35 Plate Appearances (not including intentional walks).


Jackson 7.7 (13.33 career)

Kelly 8.0 (20.71 career)

Avila 8.5 (8.60 career)

Cabrera 12.0 (11.30 career)

Raburn 12.3 (15.71 career)


Fielder 14.2 (9.14 career)

Laird 16.0 (15.46 career)


Peralta 20.3 (12.30 career)

Santiago 29.0 (15.32 career)

Young 33.0 (27.42 career)

Boesch 73.0 (15.22 career)

Dirks 0-24 PA (25.80 career)

Inge 0-20 PA (12.89 career)


2012 DET Team = 15.37

2011 DET Team = 13.05

2010 DET Team = 12.63

2009 DET Team = 12.16


I could go on and on about how pitch selection and plate discipline effects hitting and/or how this impacts the opposing pitching/pitcher. I deplore hitters that have a ratio above 15.0 (Especially Young and Dirks for their careers). Generally speaking, most superstar hitters are under 10.0.

Over the years, the Yankees have been known as a team full of patient hitters (and superstar hitters).

2012 NYY Team = 10.36

2011 NYY Team = 10.58

2010 NYY Team = 10.13

2009 NYY Team = 10.21


FYI

Sizemore = 8.71 career

Joyce = 9.89 career

Granderson = 10.11 career

Guillen = 11.12 career

Ordonez = 12.53 career

Wells = 15.35 career

Polanco = 18.98 career

Good numbers to see. Great post.

I would think Polanco's numbers were high due to the fact he really was a good average hitter and did not go deep into the count as his K rate was low among Tigers hitters when he was here.

Dirks could be trying too hard to stay with the club by trying to hit his way on it. Just a thought thoe, as he is really closer to a rook.

Young, well he a swinging as soon as his feet step in the batters box!

Jackson looks like he has made progress. Need to keep it up.

 

[bdtay1971]

Tigers have traded or let go Polanco, Sizemore and Rhymes. I has to think what are they thinking?

Would love to still have Polly. Sizemore and Rhymes don't fit the bill. Santiago is probably the closest thing but he doesn't draw many walks and doesn't have much speed.

 

[spockmaster]

you make a great point, rebbiv. why the fuck are they hacking at everything? just speculation, but i think leyland and lloyd are trying to make this team even more of a go big or go home than we have been, and its backfiring BIG TIME.

 

[mhughes0021]

said before the opener that if we went .500 in April itd be a good start....month is brutal. The discouraging thing is how were losing. Blowing all those good starts early in the year and now we give up 15+ hits every game. Consistent pitching is going to be a big issue until Fister is back. 2 guys sub .100 in the lineup isnt doing much to help the run support.

 

[zonietigerfan]

I'm concerned about getting Fister back as well, but you have to really worry, because Fister only pitched every 5 or 6 days & others have to step up to help JV now that Doug is on the DL. Thus far Scherzer has not, Wilk didn't, Oliver didn't, Smyly's been ok and Porcello is Rick Porcello, meaning: he could be very good or he could (as in lately) get drilled. Also, the type of team we have isn't very balanced. Aside from AJ & maybe Dirks there's no speed. Now, once the guys start hitting again & 5, 6 or 7 really begin to blast, I can easily see the box scores like what we've seen recently, only reversed, with the Tig's getting 9, 10 runs on 15 hits. Then, we can afford RP giving up 5 or 6 runs or Max giving up his usual 6, 7.

 

[hellifino]

other than starting pitching, the problem is,Leyland still throws 3-4 mud hens out there every night.

 

[hellifino]

other than starting pitching, the problem is,Leyland still throws 3-4 mud hens out there every night.

add that to Peralta,Avila,Young and Boesch starting out poorly.

mud hen list as far as hitting goes....

Inge
Raburn
Santiago
Kelly
Jackson

 

[tomdalton22]

The problem is there are too many Mud Hens on the team....Leyland doesn't have much of a choice but to put them out there.

 

[jimrice]

you make a great point, rebbiv. why the fuck are they hacking at everything? just speculation, but i think leyland and lloyd are trying to make this team even more of a go big or go home than we have been, and its backfiring BIG TIME.

Do you really think the coaches are thrilled when Delmon or Boesch goes down 0-2 while hacking away. Are you kidding with your post?

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah i am tired of first pitch swinging...

 

[spockmaster]

Do you really think the coaches are thrilled when Delmon or Boesch goes down 0-2 while hacking away. Are you kidding with your post?

young has always done this, but boesch has shown more discipline in his career than he has so far this year. either he's ignoring the coaches completely or theyre not telling him to see more pitches.

 

[jimrice]

young has always done this, but boesch has shown more discipline in his career than he has so far this year. either he's ignoring the coaches completely or theyre not telling him to see more pitches.

It's possible these guys just aren't very good. Delmon has been a joke most of his career and Boesch has shown flashes, but never had a full good year. I hope Boesch is going to be a good player, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock ever if he's just not that good overall.

I don't think coaching can make an average guy into a good player.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I thought BB had a good 2011, and consistent. The ankle injury effected it towards the end. I haven't really seen pitch by pitch what he's swinging at, is he seeing more strikes and just missing them or is he going after bad pitches?

 

[spockmaster]

It's possible these guys just aren't very good. Delmon has been a joke most of his career and Boesch has shown flashes, but never had a full good year. I hope Boesch is going to be a good player, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock ever if he's just not that good overall.

I don't think coaching can make an average guy into a good player.

my overall point though is that right now EVERYONE is hitting fly balls, and it seems like everyone is swinging for the fences. young and boesch are just swinging at everything, which is a partially separate issue.

 

[mjsb2]

I thought BB had a good 2011, and consistent. The ankle injury effected it towards the end. I haven't really seen pitch by pitch what he's swinging at, is he seeing more strikes and just missing them or is he going after bad pitches?

He's actually got his lowest OSwing% of his career at 36.8%.

His contact% (83) is also the highest of his career.

 

[Rebbiv]

Lloyd has always preached being aggressive. Which by all accounts, means swinging at the first pitch. You can see hitters come from other teams (i.e. Peralta) and see there first pitch swinging percentage rise. You can other players leave, and their first pitch swinging percent drops.

I fully understand, statistically speaking, numbers are better on the first pitch. But you have to be selective and not swing at the pitcher's pitch. If it is in your zone, OK, swing.

I just think we have a lousy hitting coach and a bad organizational hitting mindset.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Can't agree more..

 

[Thumb]

I have never been against first pitch swings assuming the Pitcher is trying to get ahead and throw a first pitch fastball strike. Might be the best pitch a hitter will see all AB, might as well have a rip at it.

But in some situations, like when a Pitcher is having trouble locating, or his pitch count is running high, I'd like to see us lay off more.

Lots of guys made a good living hitting first pitches, Vlad and Hamilton come to mind as guys who love to jump on first pitch fastball strikes.