Well, This is News, I Guess

[Mitchrapp]

Wow.

I would not have guessed this.

In a state where more people are or lean Democrat than Republican by a margin of 58% to 42%,

Republicans have pretty much dominated the Assembly nevertheless.

No wonder Bob hates gerrymandering so much.

Those Republicans in Michigan seem to be pretty good at it..

50% Catholics okay with abortion. Not sure I ever understood that.

 

[tinselwolverine]

50% Catholics okay with abortion. Not sure I ever understood that.

38% of Californians believe abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

A relatively small percentage, but it?s more than 14,000,000 people.

It?s more than the entire populations of all but three other states.

That?s a lot of residents whose opinions California leaders seem to think it?s okay to disregard, rather than just simply disagree with.

I have yet to hear a single acknowledgment from a single California leader that those people have a right to their opinion.

Okay, US HOR minority leader Kevin McCarthy from Bakersfield is a California leader of sorts, I guess. He seems to acknowledge that people have a right to have an opinion that differs from the powers that be in California.

I had to go looking for it though.

 

[sggatecl]

The president who has probably been involved with more abortions than any other president in US history was the president who paved the way for Roe v Wade to be overturned. You've got to appreciate the irony.

 

[sggatecl]

Clarence Thomas voiced in the Roe v Wade ruling that he'd like to see all of the Court?s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell reconsidered.

Which one of these despicable rulings would you like to see struck down next? Or is there another?

 

[biggunsbob]

My guess is Thomas will leave this one out. Typical Conservative. Hypocritical at all times.

In Friday's opinion, Thomas made no mention of Loving v. Virginia, the landmark 1967 ruling by the Supreme Court that struck down laws prohibiting interracial marriage. That decision relied in part on the substantive due process doctrine ? and was cited in several subsequent decisions that did as well, including Obergefell in 2015.

 

[tinselwolverine]

My guess is Thomas will leave this one out. Typical Conservative. Hypocritical at all times.

In Friday's opinion, Thomas made no mention of Loving v. Virginia, the landmark 1967 ruling by the Supreme Court that struck down laws prohibiting interracial marriage. That decision relied in part on the substantive due process doctrine ? and was cited in several subsequent decisions that did as well, including Obergefell in 2015.

Do dat be because he black and his wife be white?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc

Hey, I have an idea-er-maybe the dissenting justices Breyer, Kagan and Sotomeyor should move to revisit Loving - just to fuck with him.

Wouldn?t that be FUNNY?

 

[Spartanmack]

The president who has probably been involved with more abortions than any other president in US history was the president who paved the way for Roe v Wade to be overturned. You've got to appreciate the irony.

Some of the most vocal opponents to abortion are former abortionists. People can change their minds.

 

[sggatecl]

Some of the most vocal opponents to abortion are former abortionists. People can change their minds.

Rules for thee, not for me.

 

[Spartanmack]

Rules for thee, not for me.

Not sure that applies in this situation. He used to be a pro choice Democrat. I don?t recall him telling others not to get them or campaigning against the practice then.

 

[sggatecl]

Not sure that applies in this situation. He used to be a pro choice Democrat. I don?t recall him telling others not to get them or campaigning against the practice then.

He was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009. You don't recall him telling others anything about abortion (or anything else) because he never ran for any office during that period.

He's been a registered Republican much longer, before and after that period. I'm not sure where the myth that he was a Democrat only until very recently came from.

 

[Spartanmack]

He was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009. You don't recall him telling others anything about abortion (or anything else) because he never ran for any office during that period.

He's been a registered Republican much longer, before and after that period. I'm not sure where the myth that he was a Democrat only until very recently came from.

I definitely recall him telling people about abortion in the past. Trump has always been a public figure and he had made public statements in support of abortion before he was ever a candidate for any office. Those comments came up here on DSF when he was running for the Republican nomination and declared himself pro life. Here he is on Meet The Press in 1999 saying ?I?m very Pro choice?

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

 

[tigermud]

In the most recent episode of the Orville, The Krill had an interesting punishment for those that got abortions. With the use for future tech they got to met the child they aborted. I was frankly really surprised to see such a thing depicted on that show. I had actually turned it off previously few days before after they were suggesting populist movements were bad. But the second half was good. idk it's starting to grow on me more so far in this new season there have been no gratuitous sex with aliens, green blobs, robots or men having babies, if they keep that up I might end up liking it more than the new star trek strange new worlds.

So for that hasn't been all that great IMO. it's been more about boring personal relationship stories than it has been about any actual exploration of strange new worlds. thumbs down.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I definitely recall him telling people about abortion in the past. Trump has always been a public figure and he had made public statements in support of abortion before he was ever a candidate for any office. Those comments came up here on DSF when he was running for the Republican nomination and declared himself pro life. Here he is on Meet The Press in 1999 saying ?I?m very Pro choice?

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

From the clip, I get that Trump is consistently from New York.

Tim Russert died suddenly and unexpectedly, and has remained constantly dead.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LI4UEHUvtM

 

[sggatecl]

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

 

[tinselwolverine]

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

I am skeptical.

The science shows this to be almost imponderably improbable.

 

[sggatecl]

I am skeptical.

The science shows this to be almost imponderably improbable.

Your own reference has a link that shows that abortion is among the reasons the numbers are low and falling. Now that it's not an option in some places, wouldn't it be safe to assume that those numbers wouldn't continue to be as low and certainly not keep falling?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Your own reference has a link that shows that abortion is among the reasons the numbers are low and falling. Now that it's not an option in some places, wouldn't it be safe to assume that those numbers wouldn't continue to be as low and certainly not keep falling?

Oh.

I guess I didn?t read it thoroughly enough.

This is from Planned Parenthood.

As young as ten is an outlier. I don?t know the data on the likelihood of ovulation at age 10, but it?s low.

?On average, it (ovulation) first happens when a girl is between 12 and 13.?

Also I was a little sloppy using the age range 10-14 in my previous reference. Obviously, the average age to start ovulation falls into that range.

How - and who - determined that the little girl had been pregnant EXACTLY six weeks and three days? Can that be determined with that much precision?

The story seems fishy to me.

If there really was an abortion performed on a 10 year from Ohio in neighboring Indiana, apparently it went off just as well in Indiana as it would have in Ohio.

I hope the little girl at least brought back an autographed photo of former Indiana Governor Mike Pence.

He was the Vice President before Kamala.

 

[sggatecl]

Oh.
As young as ten is an outlier. I don?t know the data on the likelihood of ovulation at age 10, but it?s low.

I wouldn't dispute it's an outlier. But shouldn't laws take into account outliers like this? Imagine how traumatic of an experience it is for the 10 year old. Now add all this traveling out of state nonsense to it, it certainly can't help.

How - and who - determined that the little girl had been pregnant EXACTLY six weeks and three days? Can that be determined with that much precision?

It says the doctor did in the article I linked.

https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-opinion/articles/2017/05/methods-for-estimating-the-due-date

Ultrasound measurement of the embryo or fetus in the first trimester (up to and including 13 6/7 weeks of gestation) is the most accurate method to establish or confirm gestational age. Up to and including 13 6/7 weeks of gestation, gestational age assessment based on measurement of the crown?rump length (CRL) has an accuracy of ?5?7 days. Measurements of the CRL are more accurate the earlier in the first trimester that ultrasonography is performed. The measurement used for dating should be the mean of three discrete CRL measurements when possible and should be obtained in a true midsagittal plane, with the genital tubercle and fetal spine longitudinally in view and the maximum length from cranium to caudal rump measured as a straight line.

The story seems fishy to me.

Always a viable option.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Always a viable option.

Don?t tell me, let me guess - this is a selfy of you when you heard racist homophobes said they found Jussie Smollet?s story ?fishy,? right?

I did a search engine search for the Indiana obstetrician. The primary phone number has been disconnected.

That could mean a lot of things.

I would call the referring doctor in Ohio - I would wait until after the holiday, of course - and ask that doctor how he or she made the EXACT determination of the duration of the pregnancy, except - that doctor isn?t named in article you linked to.

So convenient.

EDIT: This is the closest thing I can find to what I think would eventually become the law in Ohio. If this is what did become law, there absolutely is an exception for the life and safety of the pregnant person.

There is NOTHING I can find that corroborates that a ten year old giving birth is safe in any capacity at all.

I am now officially calling bullshit on the story you linked to - somebody just made that shit up.