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Wide spread election fraud 2020

Well, thanks for correcting my unintended implications I guess. It's definitely helped convince me that you don't have to correct everything I say.

I was correcting your mistake, and you're welcome. This is pretty funny coming from the guy who starts probably 80%+ of the conversations we have, the majority of those being nit picking garbage or arguing against things i'm not saying.
 
What is a "peaceful rioter?" One thing I know: Do not step in front of the juggernaut. This woman did about 999 things wrong in succession to place her in the way of an armed Federal agent with the authority to shoot to kill. Which makes her death especially tragic.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier. The "mostly peaceful rioters" is a term I've been using to mock the media coverage of the riots as "mostly peaceful protests" from this past summer. To be fair to both sides, I've been calling the rioters from last week "mostly peaceful insurrectionists." It's sarcasm.

Trespassing? You consider these people as "trespassers?" THEY FORCED THEIR WAY INTO THE CAPITOL BUILDING.

Yes, trespassing. It may be a bit of an understatement, but it's just used to counter the idea that this was some sort of a coup. In my view, this was a protest that turned into a riot, not a serious attempt at a takeover of the government.

If it helps, most of the time I'm thinking how ridiculous much of what a few members post on here is.
 
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From the speculation I see here about did or didn?t happen with Ashli Babbitt and what she was or wasn?t doing, it?s occurring to me that some may be opining without having seen this footage.

Thanks for sharing here. I had seen it but wasn't sure if that was acceptable.

Can't imagine someone would actually view this simply as 'trespassing'.
 
Thanks for sharing here. I had seen it but wasn't sure if that was acceptable.

Can't imagine someone would actually view this simply as 'trespassing'.

Can't imagine someone would actually view this as anything that rises to a level justifying the use of deadly force.
 
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Can't imagine someone would actually view this as anything that rises to a level justifying the use of deadly force.

So if a person breaks down the door to my home, I can shoot them.

But if a person (with a giant mob behind them) breaks down the door to our Capitol, those same rules don't apply? I couldn't disagree more.
 
So if a person breaks down the door to my home, I can shoot them.

But if a person (with a giant mob behind them) breaks down the door to our Capitol, those same rules don't apply? I couldn't disagree more.

that's a false equivalence and doesn't take into account any circumstances, it's hard to see how you could watch that video and draw that comparison.

At the 1:44 mark, the mostly peaceful insurrectionists (sarcasm) make a path for 3 cops to leave, unharmed. The police step aside but remain on the scene against the wall where they are completely unharmed, in fact they're mostly being ignored - not one of them felt the need to draw their gun. They then commit more vandalism, breaking windows and attempting to breach a barricade. This is extremely stupid on their part, they shouldn't even be there, I'm not defending any of their actions, but none of them is armed with anything more than a stick and what looks like a motorcycle helmet, again extremely stupid but they're clearly not only not attacking people, they're going out of their way to make sure the cops weren't hurt.

Then at the 1:57 mark, someone yells gun and it appears to take about 8 or 10 seconds for everyone to realize it but once they do, they appear to stop their breach attempt, putting their hands in the air, except this Ashli person who is crawling through the window when she is shot in the neck. I wasn't there, I don't know what the guy with the gun was saying, what she heard, saw or said but it seems to me that person had plenty of time to realize everyone else had responded appropriately to the presence of the gun. It also seems clear that she could have been subdued some other way once she made it to the ground on the other side of that door. Or maybe a warning shot to get her to stand down like everyone else.

Cops all over the country were pelted with rocks, had molotov cocktails hurled at them, run down by aggressive drivers, etc all summer long and they didn't shoot, let alone kill anyone.

Entire cities burned because cops shot Jacob Blake who was armed with a knife, same with the kid in Philadelphia - the same people who perpetuated the lies about those instances and defended, if not promoted the violence that ensued are now calling Ashli Babbit's death justified and engaging in victim blaming.
 
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Thanks for sharing here. I had seen it but wasn't sure if that was acceptable.

Can't imagine someone would actually view this simply as 'trespassing'.

I read somewhere that the military had stripped her legacy of various standard posthumous benefits and honoraria.

Assuming that is the case, it would someone had viewed it as quite a trespass.
 
There's background on the woman who gets shot that I found pretty illustrative of a lot of things here (here's the longer article discussing policy):

According to the New York Times, Babbitt was a 35 year-old woman from California who spent 14 years serving in the U.S. Air Force, deploying to both Iraq and Afghanistan. The U.S. government sent Babbitt abroad eight times, and though not every time was in a combat zone, such repeated deployments into violent areas tend to cause brain damage.

After her time at war, Babbitt had a modest propensity for violence, threatening a rival love interest by rear ending her with a car in 2016. She married, and bought a small business with her husband, a pool supply company called Fowlers Pool Service and Supply. There she ran into commercial problems common to small businesses these days. The pool business isn?t a good one, dominated as it is by monopoly pool supply distributor Pool Corp. (The FTC settled with Pool Corp in 2011 over a predatory practice called ?exclusive dealing.? This settlement clearly failed, as Pool Corp was bragging to investors earlier this year that one of its competitive advantages was ?exclusive products.?)

Fowlers Pool Service and Supply predictably ran into trouble. So Babbitt took out what was known as a ?merchant cash advance? from a company called EBF Partners, which she calculated charged her an interest rate of 169%. She quickly defaulted, and was embroiled in a lawsuit. Her lawyers argued that her lender had cheated her with too high of an interest rate. She lost, as ?courts have held that such arrangements don?t amount to loans and are not bound by usury laws.? According to her brother, her politics weren?t particularly unusual, she was frustrated with homelessness in San Diego, and how hard it was to run a business. And then she got more into politics through social media, and then into QAnon.

So here?s the profile of a rioter, a working class person who went overseas eight times in military service, including two combat zones, who then tried her hand at a small business where financial predators and monopolists lurked. She then fell in with conspiratorial social media, and turned into a violent rioter who, like most of the rioters, thought she was defending America by overturning an election.

Can't help but think the executives at Pool Corp. - and countless other companies like it - view QAnon and Trump as having done God's Work by keeping people like Ashli Babbitt angry at the WRONG people. (SIDE NOTE: I can't believe that's her actual last name... who's writing this script...)

and if Biden's tenure is anything like Obama's, the most you can expect to befall Pool Corp. is not being broken up into pieces by the FTC & DOJ, forced to disgorge all their ill-gotten profits, and having their executives charged personally and criminally, but a small fine, and consent agreement that requires them to add a disclaimer to their contracts, which will be buried on Page 9 of a 10 page agreement that no customers ever read, and can't negotiate even if they wanted to.

And... this kind of story repeats in every industry right now. how much more of this can America handle, before we collapse?
 
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Entire cities burned because cops shot Jacob Blake who was armed with a knife, same with the kid in Philadelphia - the same people who perpetuated the lies about those instances and defended, if not promoted the violence that ensued are now calling Ashli Babbit's death justified and engaging in victim blaming.

talk about false equivalences...
 
"BLM BURNED ENTIRE CITIES!!!"... I shriek as the cops slam me to the ground & arrest me for throwing a bag of dog poop at my mayor's office because my HOA sent me a letter asking me to take down my 20' by 20' TRUMP KEEP AMERICA GREAT sign 3 months after Election Day
 
I read somewhere that the military had stripped her legacy of various standard posthumous benefits and honoraria.

Assuming that is the case, it would someone had viewed it as quite a trespass.

despite the military probably never getting these things wrong, especially when they act this swiftly, I'm still unconvinced killing her was the appropriate course of action.
 
"BLM BURNED ENTIRE CITIES!!!"... I shriek as the cops slam me to the ground & arrest me for throwing a bag of dog poop at my mayor's office because my HOA sent me a letter asking me to take down my 20' by 20' TRUMP KEEP AMERICA GREAT sign 3 months after Election Day

there, that's a textbook false equivalence. You're getting better. Now if only someone would actually do and say those things instead of them just being a made up fantasy, you can actually be right for once.
 
I'm not defending any of their actions, but none of them is armed with anything more than a stick and what looks like a motorcycle helmet.

Was this the 'no guns allowed' caucus of the mob? It's pretty presumptuous to assume that because two guys in the front don't have a firearm drawn that someone in the mob behind them didn't. Especially considering all the arrests that were made for unregistered firearms in the aftermath.

Let's show an example of a cop that didn't use deadly for against the mob at the capitol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-96rfdn8ofs&bpctr=1610406135&ab_channel=cristiangingoe

Is this another false equivalency?
 
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I'm starting to think that we would have been better off if Hillary would have won the election in 2016. She would have fucked up a lot of shit, but she probably would have handled the COVID outbreak a little better & she probably wouldn't have help intensify the racial divide in the country. Now, how I think it may have been better. My guess is the biggest reason that the senate was lost to the Democratic party is because of Trump. If she would have won last time, I think we have a different republican President getting ready to be sworn into office and we would still have a republican senate. We would have a liberal SCOTUS but that's fine with me. I just don't like the idea of a Democratic house, senate, & President. I think Trump was the worst thing that could have happened to this country 4 years ago, and that's saying a lot, because I despise Hillary.
 
Was this the 'no guns allowed' caucus of the mob? It's pretty presumptuous to assume that because two guys in the front don't have a firearm drawn that someone in the mob behind them didn't. Especially considering all the arrests that were made for unregistered firearms in the aftermath.

Let's show an example of a cop that didn't use deadly for against the mob at the capitol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-96rfdn8ofs&bpctr=1610406135&ab_channel=cristiangingoe

Is this another false equivalency?

I can't see the video, blocked at work but I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yes it is. Clearly, the crowd in Tinsel's video has gone out of their way to not assault cops. And I'm not assuming anything about the crowd, just going by what can be seen. Again, from Tinsel's video, the shooter also wouldn't know if there were others behind the guys in front who were armed, but it's clear from what he could see that he didn't see any protestors with guns and he definitely didn't see Ashli holding a weapon, let alone threatening him with one. Plus the 3 cops who stepped aside didn't draw their weapons and they didn't seek cover or leave the scene - seems like they'd be doing one of those things if they were confronted by an armed mob - they were at far greater risk form the mob than the shooter. And again, the angry mob throws up their arms when they realize a gun is pointed at them, except Ashli, tragically.
 
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I'm starting to think that we would have been better off if Hillary would have won the election in 2016. She would have fucked up a lot of shit, but she probably would have handled the COVID outbreak a little better & she probably wouldn't have help intensify the racial divide in the country. Now, how I think it may have been better. My guess is the biggest reason that the senate was lost to the Democratic party is because of Trump. If she would have won last time, I think we have a different republican President getting ready to be sworn into office and we would still have a republican senate. We would have a liberal SCOTUS but that's fine with me. I just don't like the idea of a Democratic house, senate, & President. I think Trump was the worst thing that could have happened to this country 4 years ago, and that's saying a lot, because I despise Hillary.

how would she do better with COVID? And why wouldn't she intensify the racial divide? Biden and Harris have both been divisive throughout the campaign and both have made extremely divisive statements about Wednesday's events. Division has been a key part of the Democrat's strategy since at least 2012.
 
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how would she do better with COVID? And why wouldn't she intensify the racial divide? Biden and Harris have both been divisive throughout the campaign and both have made extremely divisive statements about Wednesday's events. Division has been a key part of the Democrat's strategy since at least 2012.

the way I look at it, nobody could do any worse that Don. The guy we have in charge just kept denying it even existed. I think Hillary would have listened to people smarter than she is...I don't think Trump listens to anyone.

Maybe both sides do say divisive things, I just think that Trump goes out of his way to fan the flames. Every word out of his mouth makes my skin crawl.
 
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