Wide spread election fraud 2020

[Spartanmack]

That's the video I shared. Apparently I'm over reacting.

Singing the national anthem as a cop gets beat to death. Not many things give me the chills but that's some terrifying stuff. Can't imagine how he felt in those last moments.

who said you were overreacting to a cop getting beat by a mob or to anything for that matter?

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justic...ders-noticeably-absent-since-riot-11610466822


FBI and DOJ are looking into seditious conspiracy charges.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't consider Newsweek super-reliable, but there's a DC staffer saying panic buttons had been ripped out before the Capitol breach


https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-hill-riots-panic-buttons-torn-out-staffer-1561191

 

[Spartanmack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z8fvX6NAo

IMO, this is worse than any riot over the summer.

No one is condoning the assault on the cops - it’s universally denounced by both sides. But is that worse than a retired cop being shot in the head from point blank range during a riot in St Louis? This summers riots accounted for 700 injuries to law enforcement, 25 deaths and billions of dollars in damage to public and private property. While I’m also not condoning or excusing this riot in any way, it was awful, plain and simple, the reality of it is it was just that, a riot. After it was over people were back at work in the Capitol in 2 hours and all that damage is going to be fixed immediately and paid for by our tax dollars. There are burned out and looted businesses from DC to Portland that still aren’t fixed/replaced and won’t be any time soon and many of those small business owners have lost everything. Again, I’m not excusing anything that happened last week but I don’t see how it’s worse than what happened this summer all across the country.

 

[tomdalton22]

No one is condoning the assault on the cops - it?s universally denounced by both sides. But is that worse than a retired cop being shot in the head from point blank range during a riot in St Louis? This summers riots accounted for 700 injuries to law enforcement, 25 deaths and billions of dollars in damage to public and private property. While I?m also not condoning or excusing this riot in any way, it was awful, plain and simple, the reality of it is it was just that, a riot. After it was over people were back at work in the Capitol in 2 hours and all that damage is going to be fixed immediately and paid for by our tax dollars. There are burned out and looted businesses from DC to Portland that still aren?t fixed/replaced and won?t be any time soon and many of those small business owners have lost everything. Again, I?m not excusing anything that happened last week but I don?t see how it?s worse than what happened this summer all across the country.

you know what...I take back what I said. I think I am a prisoner of the moment. Unfortunately (I can't stress that word enough) I forgot about a lot of what happened in those riots this summer. I had to google what you were talking about, and you know what came up, an article about a cop that got shot in the head during a riot in Las Vegas. I had to scroll down a few articles to get to the one in St Louis. Pretty sad.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So it looks like impeachment is going to happen today… And it looks like any trial in the Senate will be tabled until after the inauguration… How do you go about removing a president who isn’t there?

 

[Spartanmack]

So it looks like impeachment is going to happen today… And it looks like any trial in the Senate will be tabled until after the inauguration… How do you go about removing a president who isn’t there?

thank goodness this riot only lasted a day so Congress could get back to business doing the peoples' work, protecting them from a guy who is in no way responsible for what happened to make sure it never happens again. I guess they learned their lesson from mishandling the events of this past year.

 

[tomdalton22]

So it looks like impeachment is going to happen today? And it looks like any trial in the Senate will be tabled until after the inauguration? How do you go about removing a president who isn?t there?

I heard that if he gets impeached a second time he can never run for office again (not sure if it's true). If that's the case, I think it's worth it.

 

[byco42]

I heard that if he gets impeached a second time he can never run for office again (not sure if it's true). If that's the case, I think it's worth it.

Do you think that president Trump should be impeached for his address last week?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I heard that if he gets impeached a second time he can never run for office again (not sure if it's true). If that's the case, I think it's worth it.

I read it also denies him intelligence briefings after leaving office.

 

[tomdalton22]

Do you think that president Trump should be impeached for his address last week?

yes

 

[byco42]

yes

I disagree.

And ... it only takes one impeachment and conviction for "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States."

There's also the aspect of his not being president when the senate trial would take place. It's not possible to convict a non-sitting public official, as I read the Constitution. Nothing in it about the timing or the length of the impeachment process, but it does specifically say in Article 2, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Since Trump is no longer president, he cannot be removed from office.

 

[Spartanmack]

yes

definitely not. Trump is no more responsible for the events last week than Dems were when they said things like:

"There needs to be unrest in the streets." - Ayanna Pressley

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be." - Nancy Pelosi

"Protestors should not let up." - Kamala Harris, who also openly promoted crowd sourced funds for bailing out rioters.

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere." - Maxine Waters

None of those people are responsible for the riots or for politicians and their families being doxed and threatened at their homes. People are responsible for their own actions. If Trump is responsible for what happened last week, as everyone of those people quoted above are saying, then they're all massive hypocrites unless they also impeach themselves.

 

[tomdalton22]

I disagree.

And ... it only takes one impeachment and conviction for "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States."

There's also the aspect of his not being president when the senate trial would take place. It's not possible to convict a non-sitting public official, as I read the Constitution. Nothing in it about the timing or the length of the impeachment process, but it does specifically say in Article 2, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Since Trump is no longer president, he cannot be removed from office.

It requires a conviction, which he did not receive on his first impeachment.

"The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future, banning a public figure from running for office again?requires only a simple majority of 51 senators rather than the two-thirds majority needed for removal", according to The New York Times.

so, it appears if he is already out of office when / if he is convicted, they can still ban him from running again.

 

[tomdalton22]

definitely not. Trump is no more responsible for the events last week than Dems were when they said things like:

"There needs to be unrest in the streets." - Ayanna Pressley

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be." - Nancy Pelosi

"Protestors should not let up." - Kamala Harris, who also openly promoted crowd sourced funds for bailing out rioters.

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere." - Maxine Waters

None of those people are responsible for the riots or for politicians and their families being doxed and threatened at their homes. People are responsible for their own actions. If Trump is responsible for what happened last week, as everyone of those people quoted above are saying, then they're all massive hypocrites unless they also impeach themselves.

I look at a little differently. I think what he did was treasonous. He encouraged them to take over the capitol building. His oath of office is to uphold the constitution. He was not doing that...he was doing the exact opposite.

It's just my opinion, which means nothing

 

[Spartanmack]

I take it back, I didn't realize Trump said this at his speech last week, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. We don't have a choice but to win." Oh wait, that was Obama who said that. No one thought to impeach him and he still has his twitter account.

 

[byco42]

It requires a conviction, which he did not receive on his first impeachment.

I know. My post said "impeachment and conviction".

"The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future, banning a public figure from running for office again—requires only a simple majority of 51 senators rather than the two-thirds majority needed for removal", according to The New York Times.

so, it appears if he is already out of office when / if he is convicted, they can still ban him from running again.

The Senate Trial has to conclude by 1200 on January 20. That will not happen. There will be no conviction on Constitutional grounds.

EDIT: I am uncertain now about this claim that the trial has to conclude by Jan 20, based on further research.

 

[Michchamp]

definitely not. Trump is no more responsible for the events last week than Dems were when they said things like:

"There needs to be unrest in the streets." - Ayanna Pressley

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be." - Nancy Pelosi

"Protestors should not let up." - Kamala Harris, who also openly promoted crowd sourced funds for bailing out rioters.

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere." - Maxine Waters

None of those people are responsible for the riots or for politicians and their families being doxed and threatened at their homes. People are responsible for their own actions.

Personally - and for what it's worth, I know I'm not alone here - I don't see long running, nationwide, and largely peaceful protests against police brutality and unaccountabilityin the same light as a single, violent attempt to storm the US capitol and arrest, kidnap, or possibly even murder (?) sitting elected officials and their families and staffs, but you've made it clear you do.

 

[Michchamp]

...

It's just my opinion, which means nothing

there are no judges and juries on the internet, so all we have is opinions.

 

[Spartanmack]

I look at a little differently. I think what he did was treasonous. He encouraged them to take over the capitol building. His oath of office is to uphold the constitution. He was not doing that...he was doing the exact opposite.

It's just my opinion, which means nothing

Do you have a quote? I didn't watch the speech nor have I read it, but what I have read indicated he said something like "you should continue your protest at the capitol..." or something like that. It's a pretty big leap to say he encouraged them to take over the capitol and stop the electoral vote count. I'm not surprised these leaps have been taken, given it's exactly what they do every time he opens his mouth to label everything he says a "dog whistle to white supremacists."