Worst case scenario, not bad

[biggunsbob]

Mitch[/color]]

Miggy has already stated he'll do whatever it takes, which is why 3B was brought up. I have no doubt he'll be a DH if its best.

If one of them is going to DH I would rather have Prince DH. Miggy is a below average defensive 1B but he is better than Prince.

I think they are both pretty close in fielding.

Prince 159 games/159 G.started at first/143 complete games.
Miguel 152/152 games started at first/138 complete games.

Chances
P- 1431.
M. 1379.

Put outs
P-1332.
M-1263.

Assists.
P-84.
M-103.

Errors.
P-15.
M-13.


DP's.
P-113.
M-117.

FP
P-.990
M-.991

Range Factor per 9 innings. (Putouts+assists+ IP)
P- 9.14 (League 9.33)
M- 9.30 (League 9.32)

 

[johnny2x2x]

I am happy with this signing and excited like most Tiger fans.

The only thing that gives me and everyone else pause is the fielding issues. If Fielder were fine with the DH I would feel a lot better, but you get the feeling he wont DH regularly if asked. I just am having a hard time seeing how this wont cause problems. Cabby is our 1st Baseman, he's the super star, now he is having to move positions? What if he doesn't work out at 3rd, then what? Now does Cabby have to play in the outfield? Does he become our DH in 2012? I doubt Cabby would want to be a full time DH.

It just seems like there could be the possibility of trouble if Cabby can't stick at 3rd.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I am happy with this signing and excited like most Tiger fans.

The only thing that gives me and everyone else pause is the fielding issues. If Fielder were fine with the DH I would feel a lot better, but you get the feeling he wont DH regularly if asked. I just am having a hard time seeing how this wont cause problems. Cabby is our 1st Baseman, he's the super star, now he is having to move positions? What if he doesn't work out at 3rd, then what? Now does Cabby have to play in the outfield? Does he become our DH in 2012? I doubt Cabby would want to be a full time DH.

It just seems like there could be the possibility of trouble if Cabby can't stick at 3rd.

That's the dilemma. You put Miguel as the DH then Inge still plays. I'll let the bad defense at 3rd if Inge doesn't start.

 

[mjsb2]

Miggy could also move to LF, where his defense wouldn't be as big a liability even if he was atrocious.

Would be better served in RF at Comerica due to the size of LF.

And he does have the arm strength to play there.

Though he probably wouldn't be any worse than DY in LF.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Mitch[/color]]

I am happy with this signing and excited like most Tiger fans.

The only thing that gives me and everyone else pause is the fielding issues. If Fielder were fine with the DH I would feel a lot better, but you get the feeling he wont DH regularly if asked. I just am having a hard time seeing how this wont cause problems. Cabby is our 1st Baseman, he's the super star, now he is having to move positions? What if he doesn't work out at 3rd, then what? Now does Cabby have to play in the outfield? Does he become our DH in 2012? I doubt Cabby would want to be a full time DH.

It just seems like there could be the possibility of trouble if Cabby can't stick at 3rd.

That's the dilemma. You put Miguel as the DH then Inge still plays. I'll let the bad defense at 3rd if Inge doesn't start.

But, what if he just cannot play the position at 3rd at all? I'm not talking just worst in the league, but he is embarrassing himself out there. If he weighs 270 he could look silly out there and he could also risk injury. Not to mention how is Miguel going to feel if you use a defensive replacement?

 

[mjsb2]

Miguel created 40 runs more than the 2nd best 3B last year.

There is a 0% chance his defense will be 40 runs below average.

Even assuming worst case scenario on defense, only Longoria would be able to lay claim as being a better overall 3B.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

That's the dilemma. You put Miguel as the DH then Inge still plays. I'll let the bad defense at 3rd if Inge doesn't start.

But, what if he just cannot play the position at 3rd at all? I'm not talking just worst in the league, but he is embarrassing himself out there. If he weighs 270 he could look silly out there and he could also risk injury. Not to mention how is Miguel going to feel if you use a defensive replacement?

He's a professional athlete. he's played there even if it was 40 pounds ago. We're talking no Inge, glory be..

 

[johnny2x2x]

No Inge will be a great thing, if Miguel can stick at 3rd and be average there, the possibilities for this team are endless in years to come. If V Mart could be our full time DH in 2013 the lineup would be beyond sick.

 

[Rebbiv]

I look at this signing this way, we are now better for 2012 than we were yesterday morning, however, as good as Prince is, it will be tough to put up the numbers in the clutch that VMart did last year. Now what happens if at the end of the year it is determined that we can't go on with Prince at 1b and Cabby at 3b, lets just say Cabby's D is atrocious. We can see if Prince and Cabby are willing to split 1b and DH in 2013, and trade VMart, or if Cabby can't play 3rd and isn't happy as a 50% DH, than we will have the best trade chip on the market next year. I think Mr I has a real love for Prince and would get rid of Miggy between the two. I love Miggy but I would have no problem with Prince at 1b, VMart at DH and 2 really nice pieces between 2b,3b and LF in a trade for Miggy. In the long run that might be our best deal. Imagine if you could get Ryan Zimmerman and Danny Espinosa for Miggy, that makes a pretty good IF for years too come, and than we make the kid from Grand Rapids, the 3b, into a LF, and we are set for the next 5 years at almost every position.

V-Mart, after sitting out a year, primarily a DH, at 34, would have very little trade value. Especially if the gaining team pays all of his salary. Most teams would want to know if he had fully recovered before making that type of investment.

Next, not too many teams can afford a $20 Mil/year 1B (Cabrera or Fielder). Those that might be able to afford it, already have a pretty good 1B. I doubt WSN is a team ready to spend $20 Mil on a 1B, which would mean they gave up 22-yr old Marrero or Morse.

While I wouldn't mind seeing Espinosa, Zimmerman is another story. He is a FA after 2013 and bound for an increase.

With what DET currently has, the only long term solution (2013+2014) is a position change for Cabrera, whether 3B or corner OF (probably LF).


2013

1 - New Leadoff 2B
2 - Boesch RF
3 - Cabrera LF
4 - Fielder 1B
5 - Martinez DH
6 - Castellanos 3B
7 - Avila C
8 - Peralta SS
9 - Jackson CF

Keep in mind, prior to 2013 season, Avila, Boesch, Fister, Jackson , Scherzer, Coke and Porcello will be arbitration eligible if still here an not signed to a long term contract. I am assuming Raburn and Kelly are gone. That is a lot of salary to anticipate for. Trading for a player like Zimmerman makes no sense. You would be looking for young players, non-arbitration eligible (meaning still have a couple of years of team control). Hence why Espinosa type player would be intriguing.

 

[Rebbiv]

biggunsbob[/color]]

If one of them is going to DH I would rather have Prince DH. Miggy is a below average defensive 1B but he is better than Prince.

I think they are both pretty close in fielding.

Prince 159 games/159 G.started at first/143 complete games.
Miguel 152/152 games started at first/138 complete games.

Chances
P- 1431.
M. 1379.

Put outs
P-1332.
M-1263.

Assists.
P-84.
M-103.

Errors.
P-15.
M-13.


DP's.
P-113.
M-117.

FP
P-.990
M-.991

Range Factor per 9 innings. (Putouts+assists+ IP)
P- 9.14 (League 9.33)
M- 9.30 (League 9.32)

UZR/150 Last 2 years

Cabrera -10.2 (-5.10 per year)

Fielder -13.0 (-6.50 per year)

Cabrera's 2 years at 3B -7.8 (-3.9 per year)

A. Ramirez last 2 years at 3B - 20.0 (-10.0 per year)

Cabrera's 1 year as full time LF - 9.9 (-5.9 career)

D. Young (-14.0 career)


Cabrera is not the best defensively wherever he plays, but he isn't as bad as others.

 

[mgoblue0303]

I really wonder how cheap they could potentially go out and get Damon for just this year...he and Delmon could split between LF and DH until Victor resumes (hopefully) his role?? I like the idea that DY has the potential to be a masher himself at the plate....and having him DH for most of the year would be totally fine with me. I would rather have Damon in LF, but I suppose I could stomach Raburn or Dirks out there too. Man I am giddy!

 

[Mitchrapp]

The one thing you could worry about is will Miguel press in the field and it effects his hitting? Where's a buzz kill when you need them, Tom you out there?

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]The one thing you could worry about is will Miguel press in the field and it effects his hitting? Where's a buzz kill when you need them, Tom you out there?

I'm here! I don't worry about Miggy at the plate. I do worry about the stress it puts on the pitching staff though. There are going to be a lot more extra outs for the opponents this year if Miggy is at 3B, Prince at 1B, DY in Left. I'm not just talking about errors...I'm talking about singles due to lack of range. I'm talking doubles to LF when Miggy can't get to a routine grounder for an average 3B while DY is standing on the warning track! I'm going to love watching Miggy and Prince hit though!

 

[randyf10]

I think rebbiv is pushing Castellanos to be ready in 2013, he is 19 with one year of low A ball, lets say this year he starts at Lakeland and ends up in Erie, maybe sometime in '14 would be more reasonable.