Would you rather - DE

[mhughes0021]

Mario Williams' tag in HOU is going to be $21.99 million lol. Theres a good chance he hits the open market. Question is would you rather tag Avril which will cost $10.6 million or work out a longer term deal and pay more for a proven superstar like Mario.

For 4-5 mil more per year id take Mario in a heartbeat. No way i ever would think Avril is worth that much and hes already proven he just wants to follow the money. You tag Avril this year and youre right back in the same situation next year. Time to move on...

 

[lp4ever41]

Mario Williams' tag in HOU is going to be $21.99 million lol. Theres a good chance he hits the open market. Question is would you rather tag Avril which will cost $10.6 million or work out a longer term deal and pay more for a proven superstar like Mario.

For 4-5 mil more per year id take Mario in a heartbeat. No way i ever would think Avril is worth that much and hes already proven he just wants to follow the money. You tag Avril this year and youre right back in the same situation next year. Time to move on...

Mario Williams is gonna get something like $18 million per year FYI. Largest contract for a defensive player in NFL history. Tons of teams with ridiculous cap space waiting to get in on the bidding.

I'd rather do neither, but if I had to choose, I'd take the short-term commitment of Avril over that obscene contract Williams will get.

 

[mhughes0021]

you think he makes 6 mil more than he did last year comming off a season ending injury? could be...but thats a lot for a defensive player.

 

[lp4ever41]

you think he makes 6 mil more than he did last year comming off a season ending injury? could be...but thats a lot for a defensive player.

Thats why its the highest contract ever for a defensive player.

CBS Sports' Pete Prisco expects free agent DE/OLB Mario Williams to become the highest paid defensive player in the NFL if he hits the open market.
Williams has the No. 1 overall pick pedigree, the measurables, the age (just turned 27), the versatility, and the production to incite a feeding frenzy once the cap-strapped Texans pass on the franchise tag at $22.9 million. SI.com's Don Banks suggests the Bills, Jags, and Bucs as the top three suitors, with the Packers as a wild card. We've also seen the Chargers and Raiders connected to Williams.

Not saying I'd do it. I don't believe in winning a bidding war for a FA in the NFL. The teams that win consistently only get FAs at great value. Otherwise, they rely on the draft and, to a lesser extent, trades. Can't remember the last time the Packers, Patriots, Chargers, Colts (before this year), Steelers, or Ravens won a bidding war for a FA.

 

[grandy]

Picked Mario...but I'd rather see them go with neither and pick up a stud DE in one of the next few drafts. I know someone is going to say, why not just keep Avril?

Well IMO he's not going to be worth the money he wants and I'd rather see that money put elsewhere in multiple positions. TBH I just don't want to see too many big contracts on this team, I just have visions of this team down the road having 5 stud players and the rest is filled with mediocrity...then we end up seeing playoff games where one or two or three of those guys have an off-night and it costs us the season. If they do go that route, Mayhew has to really hit on a lot of late round picks.

 

[dannydiggler]

I'd rather have a beer.

 

[lions2011]

never happen , not even worth dreaming about

 

[lionsFTW]

Tried to explain this to you a while ago Mr. mhughes in this thread
http://www.yamaharaptorforum.com/phpBB/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4699
Hes still gonna get P.A.I.D. and there's still 0% chance we somehow get him!

 

[mhughes0021]

understood lions....the point of this post was for a couple different reasons:

1) Mainly to see what nimcompoop would come on here try to explain how avril was worth 10.6 million when hed just sit out and either leave next year or get tagged again for an astronomical number.

2) to show that people would rather pay more for proven guy and 10.6 million really isnt that big of a number if the guy is worth it considering most people on here (so far) wouldnt mind paying a superstar 15 mil/yr.

Public opinion so far on this poll shows that Avril isnt worth the money or the trouble.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

never happen , not even worth dreaming about

I know right.

Why not throw in a Revis trade possibility for a future 7th? Then re-sign him @ 8 years/$25 M.

That scenario is about as likely as Mario Williams getting 15 mil over 5 years.

 

[grandy]

never happen , not even worth dreaming about

I know right.

Why not throw in a Revis trade possibility for a future 7th? Then re-sign him @ 8 years/$25 M.

That scenario is about as likely as Mario Williams getting 15 mil over 5 years.

I think you misread the poll, it says 5 years 15 mil/year, unless that's what you mean and I'm reading your post wrong.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I know right.

Why not throw in a Revis trade possibility for a future 7th? Then re-sign him @ 8 years/$25 M.

That scenario is about as likely as Mario Williams getting 15 mil over 5 years.

I think you misread the poll, it says 5 years 15 mil/year, unless that's what you mean and I'm reading your post wrong.

Nope, I misread it.

Damn it, I'm stupid!

 

[food4thought]

I voted for neither because:
A) Tagging Avril will take up most of the cap space we will get by renegotiating CJ's deal, and I would rather see them get help where it is needed most (S, OL) than moderately upgrade a team strength. If we tag him we need to sign him to a reasonable deal longterm or trade him.
B) There is absolutely ZERO reason to wrap up another 15 million in cap space along the DL, not with the other mega-contracts and the major needs at other positions

 

[brewer228]

I think you misread the poll, it says 5 years 15 mil/year, unless that's what you mean and I'm reading your post wrong.

Nope, I misread it.

Damn it, I'm stupid!

Oddly enough for some reason I read it like you did. I was going to vote for Mario Williams in a second until I understood what the question was saying.

However I really don't want either. I just don't think we can afford Mario, and Avril isn't worth the tag. However if I had to chose i would take Mario, since he is an elite player and Avril is a solid pass rusher.

 

[tonyballs]

Anybody with half a brain would pick Mario over Avril, so the question is pointless. Therefore, it makes no sense.

And now your 'hate' for Avril has become crystal fn clear, bro. Why make up a scenario when you know, just like the rest of us, that it would NEVER happen? I don't understand it.....

And where does it say that Avril is looking for TOP money? I know he wants to get paid, but he just wants a long-term contract. Didn't he say he would love to 'meet in the middle'? Or was that all bullshit?

 

[cheeno]

Hughes next poll:

Avril vs the re-animated corpse of Reggie White

Who would YOU chose?

 

[mhughes0021]

Anybody with half a brain would pick Mario over Avril, so the question is pointless. Therefore, it makes no sense.

And now your 'hate' for Avril has become crystal fn clear, bro. Why make up a scenario when you know, just like the rest of us, that it would NEVER happen? I don't understand it.....

And where does it say that Avril is looking for TOP money? I know he wants to get paid, but he just wants a long-term contract. Didn't he say he would love to 'meet in the middle'? Or was that all bullshit?

its not about hate....its partly about skill and mostly about him. Ill go as far to say if we drafted Mercilus at 23 and started him all 16 games he would outproduce Avril and be much better in the run game. Now that would cost us about a million.

Now....the other part of this is the fact HE DOESNT EVEN WANT TO BE HERE. His public comments are aired basically every day on ESPN....and nothing he is saying is showing any loyalty to the team. Its all about him right now. Even if we give him close to $11 million he PUBLICLY stated he would sit out training camps.

I hate to bring this up again cause ppl are ignorant and will start blasting me....but this whole scenario is just another case of MM fucking up. Believe me, dont believe me....but its the truth. You should have extended Avril last year when HE WANTED TO sign the dot and would have cost us much much less. MM played the game and lost. Avril is bitter about that and that is what this entire thing is about. MM wanted to play the game....avril did and played well. So now hes taking revenge and he will follow the money. The money he wants doesnt match the level of his talent imo. As stated earlier....i think a rookie could come in and line up next to Suh and put up 11 sacks and it will cost us $10 million less.

MM may very well tag Avril.....but that would compound the mistake that he made in the first place by not extending him sooner. Thats not the way to manage a team with as many needs as we do.

 

[cheeno]

Anybody with half a brain would pick Mario over Avril, so the question is pointless. Therefore, it makes no sense.

And now your 'hate' for Avril has become crystal fn clear, bro. Why make up a scenario when you know, just like the rest of us, that it would NEVER happen? I don't understand it.....

And where does it say that Avril is looking for TOP money? I know he wants to get paid, but he just wants a long-term contract. Didn't he say he would love to 'meet in the middle'? Or was that all bullshit?

its not about hate....its partly about skill and mostly about him. Ill go as far to say if we drafted Mercilus at 23 and started him all 16 games he would outproduce Avril and be much better in the run game. Now that would cost us about a million.

Now....the other part of this is the fact HE DOESNT EVEN WANT TO BE HERE. His public comments are aired basically every day on ESPN....and nothing he is saying is showing any loyalty to the team. Its all about him right now. Even if we give him close to $11 million he PUBLICLY stated he would sit out training camps.

I hate to bring this up again cause ppl are ignorant and will start blasting me....but this whole scenario is just another case of MM fucking up. Believe me, dont believe me....but its the truth. You should have extended Avril last year when HE WANTED TO sign the dot and would have cost us much much less. MM played the game and lost. Avril is bitter about that and that is what this entire thing is about. MM wanted to play the game....avril did and played well. So now hes taking revenge and he will follow the money. The money he wants doesnt match the level of his talent imo. As stated earlier....i think a rookie could come in and line up next to Suh and put up 11 sacks and it will cost us $10 million less.

MM may very well tag Avril.....but that would compound the mistake that he made in the first place by not extending him sooner. Thats not the way to manage a team with as many needs as we do.

Honestly I agree with you on everything but the 11 sack rookie part. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it couldn't be counted on. And as much as I like Mercilus if we draft him in the first that means we can't draft an OL or CB.

 

[lions2011]

Avrils backing off his hold out comments now....the guy is just looking after himself...you can't blame him , he plays a year on a tag and rips his knee apart and never plays another down again are the Lions going to take care of him and his the rest of his life...NO , it's buisness they'll move on and forget about him.

tag him and workout something long term before the draft or deal him for a pick and a team willing to give him his deal.

 

[lp4ever41]

Avrils backing off his hold out comments now....the guy is just looking after himself...you can't blame him , he plays a year on a tag and rips his knee apart and never plays another down again are the Lions going to take care of him and his the rest of his life...NO , it's buisness they'll move on and forget about him.

tag him and workout something long term before the draft or deal him for a pick and a team willing to give him his deal.

Honestly, I wonder if he's hurting himself with this talk of how badly he wants a long-term deal instead of the tag. Mayhew should hear that and think "He might want $12 million per year, but the last thing he wants is to play on the tag. He'll eventually cave in and take long-term security at a cheaper price rather than risk playing on the tag for one year."