Wright To Hit FA Also

[zyxt9]

give me blackmon at, what...5 mil per for 4 years? just an example of rookie wrs being able to come in for a small fraction of cost who are capable of getting a large fraction of cjs stats. that is how you work the rookie cap to your advantage. trade cj to get into position to draft blackmon and end up saving a ton down the road with likely only minimal drop off in production.

call it assinine all you want, but once teams start taking advantage of that they will become the new contenders. look for rams to capitalize on their rookie cap advantage by having plenty of cap room to fill holes with FAs and be a very solid team. same with the pats who often get extra draft picks...not that they necessarily need the help, but have to include them as a team able to take advantage.

 

[cheeno]

Be as sarcastic as you want, in 5 years the talk will be about ditching high money guys in favor of getting picks and spreading the money across all positions in order to put together a winning TEAM instead of having the old school thought of having a couple superstars. Don't blame me for recognizing the shift. Salary caps will hamstring the Lions until they figure that out. The ONLY possible exception to that is of couse QB, but again, even Stafford would be on his rookie cap this upcoming year. Sure would be nice to have an extra 10+ mil this year along with his 5000 yards, wouldn't it?

In 5 years the cap will be 140 mil or more.

 

[zyxt9]

option 1: keep superstars and no SB title
option 2: trade superstars for picks and win SB

i'll take option 2 because SB titles are more important to me than superstars who are fun to watch but financially reduce chance of winning titles.

 

[cheeno]

option 1: keep superstars and no SB title
option 2: trade superstars for picks and win SB

i'll take option 2 because SB titles are more important to me than superstars who are fun to watch but financially reduce chance of winning titles.

How the hell do you win a Super Bowl with no talent?

 

[zyxt9]

who said no talent??? give me the talent from guys like blackmon, luck, or others who are under rookie cap. the money saved by not paying them top $ goes to fill holes with FAs who are not top 1-2 at position but in top 3-6 to create a solid TEAM. this isn't the NBA where 3 guys get you a ring. with extra draft picks each year in R1-3, that gives you the talent level at far less cost. an extra pick in those rounds could produce 6 starters. over 3 years that's 18 potential starters under rookie cap leaving a ton of extra cash for the remaining 35 guys who you get in FA to fill holes even for those rooks who don't start but bust or are solid backups.

 

[cheeno]

who said no talent??? give me the talent from guys like blackmon, luck, or others who are under rookie cap. the money saved by not paying them top $ goes to fill holes with FAs who are not top 1-2 at position but in top 3-6 to create a solid TEAM. this isn't the NBA where 3 guys get you a ring. with extra draft picks each year in R1-3, that gives you the talent level at far less cost. an extra pick in those rounds could produce 6 starters. over 3 years that's 18 potential starters under rookie cap leaving a ton of extra cash for the remaining 35 guys who you get in FA to fill holes even for those rooks who don't start but bust or are solid backups.

Okay I'm on board. We trade Stafford straight up for Luck, we trade CJ for Blackmon and a 3rd and Suh for Dontari Poe and a 2nd. Now we can resign Tulloch and Wright! Or maybe you want to splurge on a high priced free agent like Mario Williams? Wait that wouldn't work because you aren't willing to pay for talent. Super bowl here we come.

 

[zyxt9]

How is it that the only guys in the NFL who have talent are the top 1 or 2 at their position? Guys ranked 3-1o might not be as talented but that doesn't mean they are void of any talent. If the entire D was filled with guys rated as top 10 at their position, you'd have a great D with no holes as opposed to a D with a couple top guys but half the D sucks. Which D would you rather game plan against as an OC?

 

[lions2011]

How is it that the only guys in the NFL who have talent are the top 1 or 2 at their position? Guys ranked 3-1o might not be as talented but that doesn't mean they are void of any talent. If the entire D was filled with guys rated as top 10 at their position, you'd have a great D with no holes as opposed to a D with a couple top guys but half the D sucks. Which D would you rather game plan against as an OC?

WTF are you yammering about ?? Cliff Avril is not a top 1 or 2 guy at his position and just got franchised for 10 million dollars

Mark Sanchez sucks and just got a 40 million dollar extension.

 

[zyxt9]

Hey, don't blame me for the mistakes made by GMs who overpay players. I'm willing to roll without Avril and still hope a team trades picks for him (consistent with my view of using rookie cap to max). QB as stated would be an exception, so if a GM believes Sanchez is their franchise QB then good for him...doesn't mean I would and I would have gone after a top rookie QB this year or next instead. As it is they've talked with Peyton so how confident are they in their 40 mil QB...not a smart move by the GM IMO.

 

[cheeno]

How is it that the only guys in the NFL who have talent are the top 1 or 2 at their position? Guys ranked 3-1o might not be as talented but that doesn't mean they are void of any talent. If the entire D was filled with guys rated as top 10 at their position, you'd have a great D with no holes as opposed to a D with a couple top guys but half the D sucks. Which D would you rather game plan against as an OC?

So wait we have to hope (either by drafting or free agency) that we get guys that are good, but not that good? Actually, I do think that was Millen's philosophy.

Let's go back to your original point of swapping Stafford and CJ for Luck and Blackmon. Lets say they are the be all and end all over the course of their 4 year (5 max) rookie contract. You are going to have to pay those guys huge contracts, just when they are beginning to gel (making the playoffs and such) just like we are doing now. We are at that stage of our teams development. What don't you get? You are going to get to this stage eventually (even if you trade for all rookies) and you will have to pay out big contracts to your talent.

 

[tsmith7559]

Lions were unfortunate to have had to draft 3 top 2 guys in such a short time without the benefit of the rookie scale

 

[cheeno]

How is it that the only guys in the NFL who have talent are the top 1 or 2 at their position? Guys ranked 3-1o might not be as talented but that doesn't mean they are void of any talent. If the entire D was filled with guys rated as top 10 at their position, you'd have a great D with no holes as opposed to a D with a couple top guys but half the D sucks. Which D would you rather game plan against as an OC?

WTF are you yammering about ?? Cliff Avril is not a top 1 or 2 guy at his position and just got franchised for 10 million dollars

Mark Sanchez sucks and just got a 40 million dollar extension.

To Slick's point what player thinks, "I'm not #1 at my position so I'll play for peanuts"?

 

[zyxt9]

As to your argument about getting to this same point eventually, I counter that if they want extreme contracts then you trade them same as now. If they are comprehending the fact a cut in their pay will result in a better team and a ring, then you can keep them. It comes down to what motivates the individual player, money or rings, not that they are mutually exclusive. Never said guys had to play for peanuts, if someone is wanting a salary that doesnlt hit too hard against the cap then keep them, but at some point their desired salary is outweighed by the trade for picks alternative. That is where you see the degree to which a guy is a team player or one who prefers to get paid. Not knocking the guys who want to get paid, that's their right...just as others have the right to take less in order to have a stronger team around them. Unfortunately most don't think about the ring until the end of their career and they don't have one.

 

[cheeno]

So you draft and develop a player, who by some accident of fate (according to the number of busts) turns out to be good, then once he is peaking and in his prime, and wants to get paid market value...you trade them. Brilliant.

 

[zyxt9]

u can't ever cut ur star player? better alert Colts while they still have a shot @ manning

 

[tonyballs]

There's the old crazy Slick I miss so much.

Can't just explain yourself, gotta go and be an asshole like your old ESPN self. I wondered how long it would take to see it.

Besides, even with the cap hits, I am guessing they would save money. This is a whole new NFL Slick, the rookie cap is a huge game changer. Yoy can now trade guys, pick up draft picks, take the cap hit, sign the rookies, and still have money left over for signing solid FAs who complete the team while the guys under the rookie cap are the stars.

Staff and Suh would be under their rookie cap deals, right (if they had a rookie cap then). They would still be the stars on the LionsN but cap wise the Lions could afford talent across the board.

I never said I don't like those guys. I never said I don't appreciate what they have done. All I'm stating is in the new age of the rookie cap there are alternatives. If 3 guys eat up over 25 percent of your cap, you will be left with many holes to fill, too many to win the SB with. That is exactly where the Lions find themselves at this time.

You don't have to like it, hell I don't, but that is the reality check the new rookie cap has placed upon teams. I'm looking at it more from a management perspective. As a fan, I hate the idea, but as a business move it makes sense.

There is no reality to what you're proposing at all. You would be worsening the team if they did it like you suggest, bro.

C'mon man, get your fn head out of your ass. Stafford, CJ and SUH are going Nowhere. N-O-W-H-E-R-E. Understand?

 

[tonyballs]

option 1: keep superstars and no SB title
option 2: trade superstars for picks and win SB

i'll take option 2 because SB titles are more important to me than superstars who are fun to watch but financially reduce chance of winning titles.

Now, you're sounding like Chico.

Congrats!!

 

[zyxt9]

There's the old crazy Slick I miss so much.

Can't just explain yourself, gotta go and be an asshole like your old ESPN self. I wondered how long it would take to see it.

Besides, even with the cap hits, I am guessing they would save money. This is a whole new NFL Slick, the rookie cap is a huge game changer. Yoy can now trade guys, pick up draft picks, take the cap hit, sign the rookies, and still have money left over for signing solid FAs who complete the team while the guys under the rookie cap are the stars.

Staff and Suh would be under their rookie cap deals, right (if they had a rookie cap then). They would still be the stars on the LionsN but cap wise the Lions could afford talent across the board.

I never said I don't like those guys. I never said I don't appreciate what they have done. All I'm stating is in the new age of the rookie cap there are alternatives. If 3 guys eat up over 25 percent of your cap, you will be left with many holes to fill, too many to win the SB with. That is exactly where the Lions find themselves at this time.

You don't have to like it, hell I don't, but that is the reality check the new rookie cap has placed upon teams. I'm looking at it more from a management perspective. As a fan, I hate the idea, but as a business move it makes sense.

There is no reality to what you're proposing at all. You would be worsening the team if they did it like you suggest, bro.

C'mon man, get your fn head out of your ass. Stafford, CJ and SUH are going Nowhere. N-O-W-H-E-R-E. Understand?

when did i say they were? i'm justhaving a conversation...but apparently that is difficult for some to understand...understood?

 

[cheeno]

u can't ever cut ur star player? better alert Colts while they still have a shot @ manning

I don't even know where to start. :

 

[imthetruth]

So you draft and develop a player, who by some accident of fate (according to the number of busts) turns out to be good, then once he is peaking and in his prime, and wants to get paid market value...you trade them. Brilliant.

Sounds like the lASTROS management. lol.